GTX 780 - possible fail(as performance) in The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt?
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Dear All, http://www.pcgameshardware.de/The-Witcher-3-PC-237266/Specials/Grafikkarten-Benchmarks-1159196/ Looking this test I'm very worried(Witcher 3 semi-final / benchmarks), the GTX 780 is under the GTX 960 and R9 285. If it is true, isn't acceptable! Please explain it.
Dear All,


http://www.pcgameshardware.de/The-Witcher-3-PC-237266/Specials/Grafikkarten-Benchmarks-1159196/


Looking this test I'm very worried(Witcher 3 semi-final / benchmarks), the GTX 780 is under the GTX 960 and R9 285.
If it is true, isn't acceptable!
Please explain it.

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#1
Posted 05/18/2015 03:23 PM   
I just saw this as well. I really hope this isn't true. At the snapping point with PC gaming, whats the point anymore? Constantly pooped on for trying to get the best experience.
I just saw this as well. I really hope this isn't true. At the snapping point with PC gaming, whats the point anymore? Constantly pooped on for trying to get the best experience.

#2
Posted 05/18/2015 03:57 PM   
Nvidia crippling kepler cards to make the 900 series more attractive is known for quite some time now.
Nvidia crippling kepler cards to make the 900 series more attractive is known for quite some time now.

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#3
Posted 05/18/2015 04:10 PM   
[quote="pr1me"]Nvidia crippling kepler cards to make the 900 series more attractive is known for quite some time now. [/quote] I'm just going off of the benchmarks from that German outlet but this seems more than a cripple. Vegetable state. I haven't had an issue with any game feeling crippled with my 780 since I've gotten it. Edit to say: Can't know for sure until it releases but those benchmarks are really disheartening.
pr1me said:Nvidia crippling kepler cards to make the 900 series more attractive is known for quite some time now.


I'm just going off of the benchmarks from that German outlet but this seems more than a cripple. Vegetable state. I haven't had an issue with any game feeling crippled with my 780 since I've gotten it.

Edit to say:

Can't know for sure until it releases but those benchmarks are really disheartening.

#4
Posted 05/18/2015 04:12 PM   
That sounds like a joke. I bought a 780 1,5 year ago hoping it will last at least 2-3 years, but it's being forced into obsolescence by its own maker. Let me tell you nvidia, that's one sure way to make people turn red.
That sounds like a joke. I bought a 780 1,5 year ago hoping it will last at least 2-3 years, but it's being forced into obsolescence by its own maker. Let me tell you nvidia, that's one sure way to make people turn red.

#5
Posted 05/18/2015 04:52 PM   
Yeah no fuck this, if nothing is done to remedy Kepler performance then I can hardly see myself buying nVidia again any time soon. 960 should not be outperforming a 780.
Yeah no fuck this, if nothing is done to remedy Kepler performance then I can hardly see myself buying nVidia again any time soon. 960 should not be outperforming a 780.

#6
Posted 05/18/2015 05:16 PM   
Not only W3 but other new game titles. GTA5, FC4, Rome TW2, etc. Basically games released after Maxwell. Quite happy with my 970 but still have a 770 in another machine. If its due to architectural differences between Maxwell and Kepler, I can accept that. But if its due to lacking driver support, my next card will not be Nvidia. How can I be certain that same wont happen with my 970 when newer cards are released.
Not only W3 but other new game titles. GTA5, FC4, Rome TW2, etc. Basically games released after Maxwell. Quite happy with my 970 but still have a 770 in another machine. If its due to architectural differences between Maxwell and Kepler, I can accept that. But if its due to lacking driver support, my next card will not be Nvidia. How can I be certain that same wont happen with my 970 when newer cards are released.

#7
Posted 05/18/2015 05:26 PM   
[quote="mr.m"]Not only W3 but other new game titles. GTA5, FC4, Rome TW2, etc. Basically games released after Maxwell. Quite happy with my 970 but still have a 770 in another machine. If its due to architectural differences between Maxwell and Kepler, I can accept that. But if its due to lacking driver support, my next card will not be Nvidia. How can I be certain that same wont happen with my 970 when newer cards are released. [/quote] Architectural differences or not, we are talking about cards that were still top of the line a year ago. I'd say it's pretty damn reasonable to expect support in the form of well optimized drivers. Does nvidia expects us to buy a $400-600 card every 15 months? Thanks, but no thanks.
mr.m said:Not only W3 but other new game titles. GTA5, FC4, Rome TW2, etc. Basically games released after Maxwell. Quite happy with my 970 but still have a 770 in another machine. If its due to architectural differences between Maxwell and Kepler, I can accept that. But if its due to lacking driver support, my next card will not be Nvidia. How can I be certain that same wont happen with my 970 when newer cards are released.


Architectural differences or not, we are talking about cards that were still top of the line a year ago. I'd say it's pretty damn reasonable to expect support in the form of well optimized drivers. Does nvidia expects us to buy a $400-600 card every 15 months? Thanks, but no thanks.

#8
Posted 05/18/2015 05:35 PM   
Tessellation performance is worse + no optimization = crap performance
Tessellation performance is worse + no optimization = crap performance

#9
Posted 05/18/2015 05:46 PM   
Okay, so it seems NVIDIA products have a very short life. I´ll keep that in mind when deciding on my next GPU. Thanks NVIDIA!
Okay, so it seems NVIDIA products have a very short life. I´ll keep that in mind when deciding on my next GPU. Thanks NVIDIA!

#10
Posted 05/18/2015 06:44 PM   
I am very disappointed, too. I've got a Geforce GTX 760 which I bought only a year ago. Given the fact that a GTX 780 is outperformed by a GTX 960, I can imagine how terrible The Witcher 3 will run on my PC. I hope there will be some driver optimization in the future. If I'll need a new GPU because of The Witcher 3, you might guess which brand it will be... P.S. GTX Titan classic is only 6% faster than GTX 960. SIX PERCENT!! What the ... ? Wasn't GTX Titan touted to be future-proof? HairWorks was turned off in that benchmark, by the way.
I am very disappointed, too.

I've got a Geforce GTX 760 which I bought only a year ago. Given the fact that a GTX 780 is outperformed by a GTX 960, I can imagine how terrible The Witcher 3 will run on my PC.

I hope there will be some driver optimization in the future.
If I'll need a new GPU because of The Witcher 3, you might guess which brand it will be...

P.S. GTX Titan classic is only 6% faster than GTX 960. SIX PERCENT!! What the ... ? Wasn't GTX Titan touted to be future-proof?
HairWorks was turned off in that benchmark, by the way.

#11
Posted 05/18/2015 07:44 PM   
[quote="Zero989"]Tessellation performance is worse + no optimization = crap performance[/quote] Tessellation was disabled for Witcher 3. Witcher 3 runs fine on a GTX 770/Radeon 7970 at lower quality settings. Witcher 3 devs have complained multiple times about Nvidia hamstringing them with Gameworks. I just didn't think they'd hamstring older Nvidia cards.
Zero989 said:Tessellation performance is worse + no optimization = crap performance


Tessellation was disabled for Witcher 3.

Witcher 3 runs fine on a GTX 770/Radeon 7970 at lower quality settings.

Witcher 3 devs have complained multiple times about Nvidia hamstringing them with Gameworks. I just didn't think they'd hamstring older Nvidia cards.

#12
Posted 05/18/2015 08:24 PM   
So this begs the ultimate question for me, as a 2x SLi 780 Ti user, to update to 352.86 or not to update for Witcher 3?
So this begs the ultimate question for me, as a 2x SLi 780 Ti user, to update to 352.86 or not to update for Witcher 3?

#13
Posted 05/18/2015 08:26 PM   
352.86 was released specifically for W3, so what do you think?
352.86 was released specifically for W3, so what do you think?

#14
Posted 05/18/2015 08:53 PM   
[quote="mr.m"]352.86 was released specifically for W3, so what do you think?[/quote] My GPU is not listed in the supported product list for that driver.
mr.m said:352.86 was released specifically for W3, so what do you think?


My GPU is not listed in the supported product list for that driver.

#15
Posted 05/18/2015 08:56 PM   
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