GTX 760 Vs GTX 460 SLi
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Hi Guys, It has bean a while since I posted here, largely due to my world being so busy. Anyhow, I upgraded my CPU (i5 3570K @4.5GHz), Cooler (Phanteks PH-TC14PE), Mobo (MSI Z77a-GD65), RAM (Corsair Vengeance 1600MHzLP) not too long ago and kinda ran out of cash for a GFX card upgrade. I already have an XFX 850W PSU in a CM 690II elite Case. So My 2 x Gigabyte WF2 1GB GTX 460's in SLi have served me extremely well over the past 3 years or so and in truth still do. However, they are starting to show their age in certain games; Crysis 3, Battlefield 3 and Far Cry 3 for instance. I saw little to no point upgrading to a Single GPU GTX 660 or the Ti variant at the time because of all the whispers about GTX 700 and the performance increase wouldn't have been all that noticeable I think. After reading umpteen reviews about GTX 760 today, it looks like they're as good as the GTX 670's and about 50 quid or so cheaper. nVidia have been using the pricing model of the GTX 760 to persuade us older generation card users to upgrade, and if it were simply a matter of price then I would be brandishing the Credit card right now and this post would be moot. What nVidia should be doing is side-by-side comparisons of older generation cards and GTX 760, 770, 780 (the latter 2 of the 3 are out of my budget), not just transistor counts, clock speeds and ROPs but, real benchmark comparisons from real the world, including SLi. I am struggling to find any meaningful data on the net to make the comparisons with. What I'd like from you guys is some clear pointers, not subjective read it on a website or out of a manual, or theoretically should be's, I can read that on any number of forums, but something I can use to justify to myself (and more importantly... SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED!!!) the outlay of a new card e.g. performance increase from single card purchase with a view to SLi'ing at a later date. Many thanks in advance chaps. P.S. I'm only single screen gaming.
Hi Guys,

It has bean a while since I posted here, largely due to my world being so busy.
Anyhow, I upgraded my CPU (i5 3570K @4.5GHz), Cooler (Phanteks PH-TC14PE), Mobo (MSI Z77a-GD65), RAM (Corsair Vengeance 1600MHzLP) not too long ago and kinda ran out of cash for a GFX card upgrade. I already have an XFX 850W PSU in a CM 690II elite Case.

So My 2 x Gigabyte WF2 1GB GTX 460's in SLi have served me extremely well over the past 3 years or so and in truth still do. However, they are starting to show their age in certain games; Crysis 3, Battlefield 3 and Far Cry 3 for instance.

I saw little to no point upgrading to a Single GPU GTX 660 or the Ti variant at the time because of all the whispers about GTX 700 and the performance increase wouldn't have been all that noticeable I think.

After reading umpteen reviews about GTX 760 today, it looks like they're as good as the GTX 670's and about 50 quid or so cheaper.

nVidia have been using the pricing model of the GTX 760 to persuade us older generation card users to upgrade, and if it were simply a matter of price then I would be brandishing the Credit card right now and this post would be moot. What nVidia should be doing is side-by-side comparisons of older generation cards and GTX 760, 770, 780 (the latter 2 of the 3 are out of my budget), not just transistor counts, clock speeds and ROPs but, real benchmark comparisons from real the world, including SLi.

I am struggling to find any meaningful data on the net to make the comparisons with.

What I'd like from you guys is some clear pointers, not subjective read it on a website or out of a manual, or theoretically should be's, I can read that on any number of forums, but something I can use to justify to myself (and more importantly... SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED!!!) the outlay of a new card e.g. performance increase from single card purchase with a view to SLi'ing at a later date.

Many thanks in advance chaps.

P.S.

I'm only single screen gaming.

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1 x GigaByte GTX 460 WF2 1GB PhysX
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#1
Posted 06/26/2013 11:00 AM   
I am in the same exact situation. My 460s starting to get a little long in the tooth but I've been holding off to see what NVIDIA was going to come up with. I went from 8800 GTX SLI to GTX 460 SLI so I had a significant performance increase and am looking for that again. I too would like to see the performance measurements against some older cards. I'm thinking that the 700 series is most likely going to be my upgrade point...of course I said that about the 600 series too. We must be married to the same woman...I also call mine "She who must be obeyed".
I am in the same exact situation.

My 460s starting to get a little long in the tooth but I've been holding off to see what NVIDIA was going to come up with. I went from 8800 GTX SLI to GTX 460 SLI so I had a significant performance increase and am looking for that again.

I too would like to see the performance measurements against some older cards.

I'm thinking that the 700 series is most likely going to be my upgrade point...of course I said that about the 600 series too.

We must be married to the same woman...I also call mine "She who must be obeyed".

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#2
Posted 06/26/2013 01:20 PM   
@overengineered Traditionally, women inherit the mans surname the day of the wedding. In truth they inherit SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED, along with the folded arms and tapping foot killer combo and the finishing move of 'I'm Fine!'. However, to compensate all men, we invented internet p0rn ;)
@overengineered

Traditionally, women inherit the mans surname the day of the wedding. In truth they inherit SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED, along with the folded arms and tapping foot killer combo and the finishing move of 'I'm Fine!'.

However, to compensate all men, we invented internet p0rn ;)

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#3
Posted 06/26/2013 02:23 PM   
Ok to stay on the TOPIC. The Gtx 760 is around 10% - 20% faster than x2 Gtx 460's in SLi. If you get a overclocked model then Performance difference will be bigger.
Ok to stay on the TOPIC. The Gtx 760 is around 10% - 20% faster than x2 Gtx 460's in SLi. If you get a overclocked model then Performance difference will be bigger.

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#4
Posted 06/26/2013 02:30 PM   
Hi FxTreme, Thanks for the response but, that is purely a theoretical answer based on statistical analysis of the hardware, whilst that may actually be valid, it isn't entirely what I (or should I say 'WE' now that Overengineered is after the same type of info) are after. Some real world graphs with real world FPS in games, on similar modern hardware not 460's on C2D and 760's on i5/i7's. If that doesn't exist then fine. I will just have to bite the bullet, trump up some wonga and hope I haven't moved sideways with my upgrade path.
Hi FxTreme,

Thanks for the response but, that is purely a theoretical answer based on statistical analysis of the hardware, whilst that may actually be valid, it isn't entirely what I (or should I say 'WE' now that Overengineered is after the same type of info) are after.

Some real world graphs with real world FPS in games, on similar modern hardware not 460's on C2D and 760's on i5/i7's. If that doesn't exist then fine. I will just have to bite the bullet, trump up some wonga and hope I haven't moved sideways with my upgrade path.

CoolerMaster CM 690 Elite v2
XFX 850W BE PSU
MSI Z77a-GD65
i5 3750K @ 4.5GHz & Phantecs PH-TC12PE (29deg Idle 60deg u/Load)
16GB Corsair Vengence LP 2133MHz
1 x GigaByte GTX 760 OC WF3 2GB (Base 1170 Boost 1235 Mem 6.6GHZ)
1 x GigaByte GTX 460 WF2 1GB PhysX
4 x OCZ Vertex 3 120GB 2 x RAID0
24" LG IPS LED Screen 1080p

Benchmark Results: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6941963

#5
Posted 06/26/2013 03:43 PM   
My info are based on actual benchmarks numbers done with the newly released Gtx760 and are accurate within 5%. Example, on a Unigine Heaven benchmark with identical settings a Gtx 760 scores 2200 against Gtx 460 SLi with 1715 = 23% Difference. Unigine has very little to no impact on Cpu speed, so the numbers represent accurate Gpu performance. But don't take my word for it.
My info are based on actual benchmarks numbers done with the newly released Gtx760 and are accurate within 5%. Example, on a Unigine Heaven benchmark with identical settings a Gtx 760 scores 2200 against Gtx 460 SLi with 1715 = 23% Difference. Unigine has very little to no impact on Cpu speed, so the numbers represent accurate Gpu performance. But don't take my word for it.

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#6
Posted 06/26/2013 05:29 PM   
Unigine is a synthetic benchmark tool and doesn't represent real world scenarios. Games do require a decent CPU for AI etc. If it were that clear cut then every review site would only benchmark with Unigine instead of benchmarking with various other synthetic benchmarking apps and various games like they currently do. Plus some games prefer a different GPU, from the 'red corner' for instance (I shudder at the thought). The reason I want the the results on the same platform is because a C2D/C2Q with DDR2 (Most GTX 460 reviews and benchmarks are on this platform) will yield different results compared to a modern CPU with DDR3 and a modern chipset. As my recent upgrade has proven. I don't want to enter a flaming match about who's right or wrong here. I am clear on what information I'd like to see in this thread and what I don't want, because it will end up being like every thread out there in Internetland that is similar to this. Conjecture, hearsay and assumption.
Unigine is a synthetic benchmark tool and doesn't represent real world scenarios. Games do require a decent CPU for AI etc. If it were that clear cut then every review site would only benchmark with Unigine instead of benchmarking with various other synthetic benchmarking apps and various games like they currently do. Plus some games prefer a different GPU, from the 'red corner' for instance (I shudder at the thought).

The reason I want the the results on the same platform is because a C2D/C2Q with DDR2 (Most GTX 460 reviews and benchmarks are on this platform) will yield different results compared to a modern CPU with DDR3 and a modern chipset. As my recent upgrade has proven.

I don't want to enter a flaming match about who's right or wrong here. I am clear on what information I'd like to see in this thread and what I don't want, because it will end up being like every thread out there in Internetland that is similar to this. Conjecture, hearsay and assumption.

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1 x GigaByte GTX 460 WF2 1GB PhysX
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#7
Posted 06/26/2013 06:24 PM   
I'm in the same boat for the most part. I've been using AMD5870's and I do shop around. I was hoping that there was more information out there to do a comparison between the 5870 eyefinity cards and the 760 4 gig cards. The cards i had prior to this where the 8800 gt till I upgraded. Any ideas guys?
I'm in the same boat for the most part. I've been using AMD5870's and I do shop around. I was hoping that there was more information out there to do a comparison between the 5870 eyefinity cards and the 760 4 gig cards.

The cards i had prior to this where the 8800 gt till I upgraded.

Any ideas guys?

#8
Posted 06/26/2013 10:30 PM   
Do you own any FutureMark products? Which gaming benches do you have available? I have benches with a single GTX 460 on a Lynnfield Xeon 3460 at both stock 2.8 GHz and 4.1 GHz on the system, but never benched it on this X79 before giving it to a friend. So I have no comparison base for 460s in SLI. But I can bench a single GTX 660 Ti with matching clocks. The bandwidth will be a bit shy of the 760 (168 vs 192 GBs), but the results should at least put you in the ballpark for a bit of comparison. I can push this X79 to match your CPU speeds with no problem as well. This may be the closest you'll come to what you want if you'd like to compare performance against one another...
Do you own any FutureMark products? Which gaming benches do you have available?

I have benches with a single GTX 460 on a Lynnfield Xeon 3460 at both stock 2.8 GHz and 4.1 GHz on the system, but never benched it on this X79 before giving it to a friend. So I have no comparison base for 460s in SLI. But I can bench a single GTX 660 Ti with matching clocks. The bandwidth will be a bit shy of the 760 (168 vs 192 GBs), but the results should at least put you in the ballpark for a bit of comparison.

I can push this X79 to match your CPU speeds with no problem as well.

This may be the closest you'll come to what you want if you'd like to compare performance against one another...

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#9
Posted 06/26/2013 10:56 PM   
[quote="jaafaman"]Do you own any FutureMark products? Which gaming benches do you have available? I have benches with a single GTX 460 on a Lynnfield Xeon 3460 at both stock 2.8 GHz and 4.1 GHz on the system, but never benched it on this X79 before giving it to a friend. So I have no comparison base for 460s in SLI. But I can bench a single GTX 660 Ti with matching clocks. The bandwidth will be a bit shy of the 760 (168 vs 192 GBs), but the results should at least put you in the ballpark for a bit of comparison. I can push this X79 to match your CPU speeds with no problem as well. This may be the closest you'll come to what you want if you'd like to compare performance against one another...[/quote] You Rule... anything you can do to give me some data would be very appreciated.
jaafaman said:Do you own any FutureMark products? Which gaming benches do you have available?

I have benches with a single GTX 460 on a Lynnfield Xeon 3460 at both stock 2.8 GHz and 4.1 GHz on the system, but never benched it on this X79 before giving it to a friend. So I have no comparison base for 460s in SLI. But I can bench a single GTX 660 Ti with matching clocks. The bandwidth will be a bit shy of the 760 (168 vs 192 GBs), but the results should at least put you in the ballpark for a bit of comparison.

I can push this X79 to match your CPU speeds with no problem as well.

This may be the closest you'll come to what you want if you'd like to compare performance against one another...


You Rule... anything you can do to give me some data would be very appreciated.

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#10
Posted 06/27/2013 08:42 PM   
You can pick your poison(s) from [url="https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/472290/overclocking/overclocking-amp-benchmarking-tools-and-utilities-need-a-benchmark-look-here/"]this thread in the OC sub-Forum[/url] (most of that list is mine) and I'll reciprocate with my 660 Ti runs. There are a handful of new ones that haven't been added to that list yet, but I'm still game... EDIT: in order to be comparable, let me know which driver you're using as well - some perform better than others...
You can pick your poison(s) from this thread in the OC sub-Forum (most of that list is mine) and I'll reciprocate with my 660 Ti runs.

There are a handful of new ones that haven't been added to that list yet, but I'm still game...


EDIT: in order to be comparable, let me know which driver you're using as well - some perform better than others...

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#11
Posted 06/27/2013 09:54 PM   
I've compiled the following spreadsheet as I too am a 460 SLI owner debating a 760 replacement. It compares the 460 SLI to a 760 (Stock) and also 460 SLI to 670 (Stock) as it looks like the 760 factory overclocks appear to be hitting 670 performance. hopefully Dropbox is ok to link to https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8342867/Copy%20of%20760%20compare.xls
I've compiled the following spreadsheet as I too am a 460 SLI owner debating a 760 replacement.

It compares the 460 SLI to a 760 (Stock)

and also 460 SLI to 670 (Stock) as it looks like the 760 factory overclocks appear to be hitting 670 performance.

hopefully Dropbox is ok to link to

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8342867/Copy%20of%20760%20compare.xls

#12
Posted 06/28/2013 12:56 PM   
[quote="OSSkill"]I've compiled the following spreadsheet as I too am a 460 SLI owner debating a 760 replacement. It compares the 460 SLI to a 760 (Stock) and also 460 SLI to 670 (Stock) as it looks like the 760 factory overclocks appear to be hitting 670 performance. hopefully Dropbox is ok to link to https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8342867/Copy%20of%20760%20compare.xls[/quote] You know sometimes, just sometimes. You feel the need to buy a fella a beer. This is exactly the kind of data I needed. Whilst the 760 is only marginally faster in some places, given the scope for sli'ing a pair, which should yield even better results, I think it is time to upgrade. Running a single 760 is not going to lessen my gaming experience for now, which was my main concern. Obviously, I don't think it will enhance it too greatly either until I SLi another. Now just to decide which card to go for. I like the Gigabyte WF3 even if it is humongously long compared to other 760's I am very grateful to you :) nVidia, pay attention, you need to give people meaningful data to help them make informed choices about your products.
OSSkill said:I've compiled the following spreadsheet as I too am a 460 SLI owner debating a 760 replacement.

It compares the 460 SLI to a 760 (Stock)

and also 460 SLI to 670 (Stock) as it looks like the 760 factory overclocks appear to be hitting 670 performance.

hopefully Dropbox is ok to link to
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8342867/Copy%20of%20760%20compare.xls


You know sometimes, just sometimes. You feel the need to buy a fella a beer.

This is exactly the kind of data I needed. Whilst the 760 is only marginally faster in some places, given the scope for sli'ing a pair, which should yield even better results, I think it is time to upgrade. Running a single 760 is not going to lessen my gaming experience for now, which was my main concern. Obviously, I don't think it will enhance it too greatly either until I SLi another.

Now just to decide which card to go for. I like the Gigabyte WF3 even if it is humongously long compared to other 760's

I am very grateful to you :)

nVidia, pay attention, you need to give people meaningful data to help them make informed choices about your products.

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#13
Posted 06/28/2013 01:11 PM   
[quote="Dodga UK"][quote="OSSkill"]I've compiled the following spreadsheet as I too am a 460 SLI owner debating a 760 replacement. It compares the 460 SLI to a 760 (Stock) and also 460 SLI to 670 (Stock) as it looks like the 760 factory overclocks appear to be hitting 670 performance. hopefully Dropbox is ok to link to https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8342867/Copy%20of%20760%20compare.xls[/quote] You know sometimes, just sometimes. You feel the need to buy a fella a beer. This is exactly the kind of data I needed. Whilst the 760 is only marginally faster in some places, given the scope for sli'ing a pair, which should yield even better results, I think it is time to upgrade. I am very grateful to you :)[/quote] No problem! I've been itching to replace my setup for the last 6 months. and really don't want to waste money on a single card that doesn't beat my SLI set up. From the data I looked at, 20%+ increase for £230 is very fair, considering I nearly pressed the buy button on a 670 for £310! On top of that I can go pick up another 760 next year (for cheaper) and go back to SLI again!
Dodga UK said:
OSSkill said:I've compiled the following spreadsheet as I too am a 460 SLI owner debating a 760 replacement.

It compares the 460 SLI to a 760 (Stock)

and also 460 SLI to 670 (Stock) as it looks like the 760 factory overclocks appear to be hitting 670 performance.

hopefully Dropbox is ok to link to
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8342867/Copy%20of%20760%20compare.xls



You know sometimes, just sometimes. You feel the need to buy a fella a beer.

This is exactly the kind of data I needed. Whilst the 760 is only marginally faster in some places, given the scope for sli'ing a pair, which should yield even better results, I think it is time to upgrade.

I am very grateful to you :)


No problem!
I've been itching to replace my setup for the last 6 months. and really don't want to waste money on a single card that doesn't beat my SLI set up.

From the data I looked at, 20%+ increase for £230 is very fair, considering I nearly pressed the buy button on a 670 for £310!

On top of that I can go pick up another 760 next year (for cheaper) and go back to SLI again!

#14
Posted 06/28/2013 01:22 PM   
I always think of GTX 460 SLI benchmarking close to a single GTX 580; Compare the 760 to a 580 and you will get a good idea.
I always think of GTX 460 SLI benchmarking close to a single GTX 580; Compare the 760 to a 580 and you will get a good idea.

#15
Posted 06/28/2013 07:26 PM   
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