GTX 670 almost the same as 680? Wtf?
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It appears tweaktown has gotten their hands on a 670 and here are the results:

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/4710/nvidia_geforce_gtx_670_2gb_video_card_performance_preview/index1.html

In most games it's 5 fps lower than the 680... Is this a joke? I mean when 5xx series came out there was almost a 10-15 fps difference between the 570 and 580. Now this 670 looks pretty much like a 680 on a price which i imagine will be way lower.. 100$ less at least.

So did we just get trolled with the 680? Paying premium price for almost no difference in performance compared to the mid-end and low-end cards? Slightly OCd 670 will beat stock 680 easy.. So what then? What's the point in the 680? I feel like i wasted money, and it's barely been a month since i got this card.
It appears tweaktown has gotten their hands on a 670 and here are the results:



http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/4710/nvidia_geforce_gtx_670_2gb_video_card_performance_preview/index1.html



In most games it's 5 fps lower than the 680... Is this a joke? I mean when 5xx series came out there was almost a 10-15 fps difference between the 570 and 580. Now this 670 looks pretty much like a 680 on a price which i imagine will be way lower.. 100$ less at least.



So did we just get trolled with the 680? Paying premium price for almost no difference in performance compared to the mid-end and low-end cards? Slightly OCd 670 will beat stock 680 easy.. So what then? What's the point in the 680? I feel like i wasted money, and it's barely been a month since i got this card.

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#1
Posted 05/05/2012 01:11 PM   
Yeah that's insane, it's basically the same card - you could probably SLI these for the same price as a GTX 680 4GB and get double the performance... wtfff
Yeah that's insane, it's basically the same card - you could probably SLI these for the same price as a GTX 680 4GB and get double the performance... wtfff

#2
Posted 05/05/2012 02:01 PM   
Yeah on some tests it's barely any difference AT ALL. In metro 2033 the 680 has 2 fps over the 670. TWO FPS FOR HOW MUCH MORE $$$? What the **** seriously. I'm so mad right now.

Whatever, gonna wait for the reviews on the 10th and pricing, but i still can return my 680 for a full refund for the next 3 weeks. So if this goes cheap i'm just gonna sli 2x670s and nvidia can keep their overpriced for no reason 680.
Yeah on some tests it's barely any difference AT ALL. In metro 2033 the 680 has 2 fps over the 670. TWO FPS FOR HOW MUCH MORE $$$? What the **** seriously. I'm so mad right now.



Whatever, gonna wait for the reviews on the 10th and pricing, but i still can return my 680 for a full refund for the next 3 weeks. So if this goes cheap i'm just gonna sli 2x670s and nvidia can keep their overpriced for no reason 680.

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#3
Posted 05/05/2012 02:31 PM   
Yup, send it back and get 670.
Yup, send it back and get 670.

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#4
Posted 05/05/2012 03:44 PM   
I was really surprised to see such a small difference between the performance of the 670 vs. that of the 680. Especially when the former has the same GK104 but with a whole SMX cluster disabled (out of eight). How are [url="http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/4710/nvidia_geforce_gtx_670_2gb_video_card_performance_preview/index4.html"]those results[/url] technically possible? 9% slower in the Unigine benchmark with 12.5% smaller physical compute "engine" (the missing SMX cluster).
I was really surprised to see such a small difference between the performance of the 670 vs. that of the 680. Especially when the former has the same GK104 but with a whole SMX cluster disabled (out of eight). How are those results technically possible? 9% slower in the Unigine benchmark with 12.5% smaller physical compute "engine" (the missing SMX cluster).

#5
Posted 05/05/2012 08:27 PM   
Perhaps the pre-release drivers provided with the 670 are more advanced with better performance than the current 680 ones..

If not it's bull****. I shelled out a tonne for a 680.
Perhaps the pre-release drivers provided with the 670 are more advanced with better performance than the current 680 ones..



If not it's bull****. I shelled out a tonne for a 680.

#6
Posted 05/06/2012 03:12 AM   
I know right? I'm surprised there's not more people upset about this yet, they probably don't even know. I imagine everyone who bought a 680 would be in an uproar by now. Unless TT's stuff is fake but what are the chances?
I know right? I'm surprised there's not more people upset about this yet, they probably don't even know. I imagine everyone who bought a 680 would be in an uproar by now. Unless TT's stuff is fake but what are the chances?

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#7
Posted 05/06/2012 04:13 AM   
This just doesn't surprise me at all. The 600 series is turning out to be a big disappointment in general. It shouldn't be a disappointment considering how fast and efficient GK104 is, but other annoying issues are keeping this series from achieving greatness.

Firstly, the 680 is still scarce everywhere. We're a month into the launch and the inventory continues to trickle in to retailers at a snails pace. It's just ridiculous that most folks still can't find a 680 anywhere. If the 670 launches and virtually matches the 680's performance, the 680 will have nails put in it's coffin before everyone even had a chance to buy it. That's just not good.

Most of those lucky enough to grab a 680 are presently reporting massive stuttering issues in all the games they play. This isn't helping matters any.

Furthermore, the GTX 690 was announced recently and it looks awesome on paper. However, it was then revealed that it's going to be priced so high that only those with seriously deep pockets need apply. A few retailers actually have the 690 listed at the moment, and it's even more expensive than initially thought. $1200 USD is just laughable. You'd have to be out of your mind to pay that much for this card. I don't care how great a graphics card performs, because if the majority of gamers can't afford it, it's simply not relevant.

Now we have the 670 coming, which is another card that seems too good to be true on paper. Normally, I would be anxiously awaiting a release like this, but considering how bad the 680\690 launch is going, it's really hard to get my hopes up at this point.

I'm starting to think that sticking with Fermi (or going with AMD's 79xx series) is a wise decision.
This just doesn't surprise me at all. The 600 series is turning out to be a big disappointment in general. It shouldn't be a disappointment considering how fast and efficient GK104 is, but other annoying issues are keeping this series from achieving greatness.



Firstly, the 680 is still scarce everywhere. We're a month into the launch and the inventory continues to trickle in to retailers at a snails pace. It's just ridiculous that most folks still can't find a 680 anywhere. If the 670 launches and virtually matches the 680's performance, the 680 will have nails put in it's coffin before everyone even had a chance to buy it. That's just not good.



Most of those lucky enough to grab a 680 are presently reporting massive stuttering issues in all the games they play. This isn't helping matters any.



Furthermore, the GTX 690 was announced recently and it looks awesome on paper. However, it was then revealed that it's going to be priced so high that only those with seriously deep pockets need apply. A few retailers actually have the 690 listed at the moment, and it's even more expensive than initially thought. $1200 USD is just laughable. You'd have to be out of your mind to pay that much for this card. I don't care how great a graphics card performs, because if the majority of gamers can't afford it, it's simply not relevant.



Now we have the 670 coming, which is another card that seems too good to be true on paper. Normally, I would be anxiously awaiting a release like this, but considering how bad the 680\690 launch is going, it's really hard to get my hopes up at this point.



I'm starting to think that sticking with Fermi (or going with AMD's 79xx series) is a wise decision.

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#8
Posted 05/06/2012 04:17 AM   
Problem is these are benchmarks not paper. So why would they sabotage their own 680 sales? If they price this at 400 or 350 noone will buy 680s anymore, it has to be a 425-450 for such a performance at a lower price.

It doesn't even make sense to exist...2-3% less fps in most games that's like nothing.

About your stuttering i had none of it btw, and i switched between a ref 680 and now on a gigabyte 680 oc. Both worked fine with 0 stutter.
Problem is these are benchmarks not paper. So why would they sabotage their own 680 sales? If they price this at 400 or 350 noone will buy 680s anymore, it has to be a 425-450 for such a performance at a lower price.



It doesn't even make sense to exist...2-3% less fps in most games that's like nothing.



About your stuttering i had none of it btw, and i switched between a ref 680 and now on a gigabyte 680 oc. Both worked fine with 0 stutter.

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#9
Posted 05/06/2012 04:23 AM   
So far we've only seen Tweaktown's numbers, so it's hard to tell why it performed so good. It is possible that the 670 shipped to them with tweaked drivers that have yet to be released.

That said, it wouldn't be the first time Nvidia released a lower-end card that rivaled the flagship. Remember the 8800GTS 512? It offered virtually the same performance you'd get from a 8800 GTX, at a fraction of the cost.

This is why I don't like to be an early adopter when the flagship launches first. It's always better to wait it out. I bought the 480 at launch, but that's only because I already knew what it offered over the 470.
So far we've only seen Tweaktown's numbers, so it's hard to tell why it performed so good. It is possible that the 670 shipped to them with tweaked drivers that have yet to be released.



That said, it wouldn't be the first time Nvidia released a lower-end card that rivaled the flagship. Remember the 8800GTS 512? It offered virtually the same performance you'd get from a 8800 GTX, at a fraction of the cost.



This is why I don't like to be an early adopter when the flagship launches first. It's always better to wait it out. I bought the 480 at launch, but that's only because I already knew what it offered over the 470.

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#10
Posted 05/06/2012 05:33 AM   
The 680s haven't interested me in the slightest, right now my current card is working delightfully -nice big OC and the temps are amazingly low, so i dunno ..probably wait till GK 110. But yes indeed the 670s look sweet, i wouldn't take a 690 if it was same price as 680, are you kidding, dual GPUs on one card don't seem to work well, i so wanted the 590 to reach it's maximum potential but it never happened.
£1000 for a GPU? - Umm how about no?
The 680s haven't interested me in the slightest, right now my current card is working delightfully -nice big OC and the temps are amazingly low, so i dunno ..probably wait till GK 110. But yes indeed the 670s look sweet, i wouldn't take a 690 if it was same price as 680, are you kidding, dual GPUs on one card don't seem to work well, i so wanted the 590 to reach it's maximum potential but it never happened.

£1000 for a GPU? - Umm how about no?

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#11
Posted 05/06/2012 05:38 AM   
Don't know why everyone keeps holding their breath for 110, Personally, I don't think it will be released AT LEAST til xmas, if at all. On the note about the 670, damn, I mean I crunch at GPUgrid with my cards (can't use 680 yet), but the loss of a SMX would hurt for sure. For gaming only though, that sucks. 670= prolly around $425 And yea I saw the 690 at newegg for $1200 too HAHAHAHA ummm. NO!!! The TERRIBLE drivers (BF3 works fine for me), and the fact that they TURNED OFF PCIE 3.0 for x79 is making NVIDIA look pretty bad. /thumbsdown.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsdown:' />
Don't know why everyone keeps holding their breath for 110, Personally, I don't think it will be released AT LEAST til xmas, if at all. On the note about the 670, damn, I mean I crunch at GPUgrid with my cards (can't use 680 yet), but the loss of a SMX would hurt for sure. For gaming only though, that sucks. 670= prolly around $425 And yea I saw the 690 at newegg for $1200 too HAHAHAHA ummm. NO!!! The TERRIBLE drivers (BF3 works fine for me), and the fact that they TURNED OFF PCIE 3.0 for x79 is making NVIDIA look pretty bad. /thumbsdown.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsdown:' />

#12
Posted 05/06/2012 06:00 AM   
Nvidia is most likely having yield problems in getting GK104 chips which are good enough to be in a 680 so that's why the 680 is scarce. They have to really push and overclock that midrange GPU to be passable as a flagship high-end product. Finding 2 GK104s that are good enough to be in a 690 is even more difficult which is why the 690 has such an astronomical price. However, right now they're probably sitting on plenty of "defective" GK104 chips which are good enough to be in a 670, so Nvidia wants to release the 670 soon to keep the money coming in even if it ends up cannibalizing sales of the 680 and also pissing off early adopters of the 680. I mean, it's not Nvidia's problem if their AIB partners can't sell their stocks of 680 cards because people are buying 670s instead. Nvidia will happily keep selling GK104s to those card manufacturers, and Nvidia can sell more GK104s for the 670s than for the 680s. It's all good business for Nvidia. /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' />
Nvidia is most likely having yield problems in getting GK104 chips which are good enough to be in a 680 so that's why the 680 is scarce. They have to really push and overclock that midrange GPU to be passable as a flagship high-end product. Finding 2 GK104s that are good enough to be in a 690 is even more difficult which is why the 690 has such an astronomical price. However, right now they're probably sitting on plenty of "defective" GK104 chips which are good enough to be in a 670, so Nvidia wants to release the 670 soon to keep the money coming in even if it ends up cannibalizing sales of the 680 and also pissing off early adopters of the 680. I mean, it's not Nvidia's problem if their AIB partners can't sell their stocks of 680 cards because people are buying 670s instead. Nvidia will happily keep selling GK104s to those card manufacturers, and Nvidia can sell more GK104s for the 670s than for the 680s. It's all good business for Nvidia. /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' />

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#13
Posted 05/06/2012 07:02 AM   
I think its drivers or some kind of issue holding back the gtx 680 i mean it has 3 times the processers and a tad more clock speed than the 580 yet it isnt doing mabye more than 20-30% extra proformance. With 3 times the hardware id like to see atleast a double in proformance... The 670 is about 1/2 the size of the gtx 690 and 690's are doing the same fps and preformance as 2 gtx 680's in sli. So the 670's may be just that a cut in half 690. Which realy makes you think why is the 680 so big in comparison etc. Who knows we will find out soon enough.
I think its drivers or some kind of issue holding back the gtx 680 i mean it has 3 times the processers and a tad more clock speed than the 580 yet it isnt doing mabye more than 20-30% extra proformance. With 3 times the hardware id like to see atleast a double in proformance... The 670 is about 1/2 the size of the gtx 690 and 690's are doing the same fps and preformance as 2 gtx 680's in sli. So the 670's may be just that a cut in half 690. Which realy makes you think why is the 680 so big in comparison etc. Who knows we will find out soon enough.

#14
Posted 05/06/2012 07:24 AM   
[quote name='Tonacriid' date='06 May 2012 - 08:24 AM' timestamp='1336289098' post='1404825']
I think its drivers or some kind of issue holding back the gtx 680 i mean it has 3 times the processers and a tad more clock speed than the 580 yet it isnt doing mabye more than 20-30% extra proformance. With 3 times the hardware id like to see atleast a double in proformance... The 670 is about 1/2 the size of the gtx 690 and 690's are doing the same fps and preformance as 2 gtx 680's in sli. So the 670's may be just that a cut in half 690. Which realy makes you think why is the 680 so big in comparison etc. Who knows we will find out soon enough.
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While the 680 has 1536 cores compared to the 580's 512 cores, the shader clock as been removed with Kepler, which is why its overall performance doesn't scale perfectly with the number of cores. Because Fermi's shader clock runs much faster than its core clock, it gains a lot of ground on Kepler despite having 1/3 the cores. This is the reason the 680 is only around 30% faster than the 580 at best. Driver updates are never going to seriously widen this gap, because it's a limitation of the 680's architecture.
[quote name='Tonacriid' date='06 May 2012 - 08:24 AM' timestamp='1336289098' post='1404825']

I think its drivers or some kind of issue holding back the gtx 680 i mean it has 3 times the processers and a tad more clock speed than the 580 yet it isnt doing mabye more than 20-30% extra proformance. With 3 times the hardware id like to see atleast a double in proformance... The 670 is about 1/2 the size of the gtx 690 and 690's are doing the same fps and preformance as 2 gtx 680's in sli. So the 670's may be just that a cut in half 690. Which realy makes you think why is the 680 so big in comparison etc. Who knows we will find out soon enough.





While the 680 has 1536 cores compared to the 580's 512 cores, the shader clock as been removed with Kepler, which is why its overall performance doesn't scale perfectly with the number of cores. Because Fermi's shader clock runs much faster than its core clock, it gains a lot of ground on Kepler despite having 1/3 the cores. This is the reason the 680 is only around 30% faster than the 580 at best. Driver updates are never going to seriously widen this gap, because it's a limitation of the 680's architecture.

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Posted 05/06/2012 11:16 AM   
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