Nvidia: Power Efficiency of Kepler - Result of Close Collaboration with TSMC.
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[i][font="Arial"][left]"We are extremely proud of what we accomplished with Kepler. It combines Nvidia’s world-class GPU engineering with TSMC’s very best 28nm process. But while Kepler was a key milestone, it is one point in a continuum. We continue to improve on what we developed and continue our collaboration with TSMC. In fact, we recently received our first version of an enhanced PQV for 20nm from TSMC. That process will yield even greater efficiency for Nvidia's next-generation GPU's," said Mr. Greco.[i][font="Arial"][left][i][font="Arial"][left][i][font="Arial"][left][i][font="Arial"][left]
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It is not a secret that performance, cost and power efficiency of chips depend on actual design as well as on process technology. A good chip design and advanced process technology almost always result in a proper product. But to make the best chip, its design has to be tailored for process technology and vice versa. Apparently, this is exactly what Nvidia and TSMC have done to make Kepler architecture exceptionally power-efficient.




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"We are extremely proud of what we accomplished with Kepler. It combines Nvidia’s world-class GPU engineering with TSMC’s very best 28nm process. But while Kepler was a key milestone, it is one point in a continuum. We continue to improve on what we developed and continue our collaboration with TSMC. In fact, we recently received our first version of an enhanced PQV for 20nm from TSMC. That process will yield even greater efficiency for Nvidia's next-generation GPU's," said Mr. Greco.




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#1
Posted 04/27/2012 02:46 AM   
I thought Nvidia was unsatisfied with TSMC ?
I thought Nvidia was unsatisfied with TSMC ?

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#2
Posted 04/27/2012 09:54 AM   
[s]Dirty buisness tactic to put AMD off-guard?

[/s]Maybe they changed their tunes after the 'commercial success' of the GTX 680?
Dirty buisness tactic to put AMD off-guard?



Maybe they changed their tunes after the 'commercial success' of the GTX 680?

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#3
Posted 04/27/2012 04:20 PM   
[quote name='RuffeDK' date='27 April 2012 - 05:54 AM' timestamp='1335520452' post='1401510']
I thought Nvidia was unsatisfied with TSMC ?
[/quote]
I think they still are, but its more to do with TSMC dragging their feet on 20nm. Makes more sense with the bit about the first 20nm PQV samples coming back, indicating TSMC has the tech for 20nm but isn't in a rush to ramp it.
[quote name='RuffeDK' date='27 April 2012 - 05:54 AM' timestamp='1335520452' post='1401510']

I thought Nvidia was unsatisfied with TSMC ?



I think they still are, but its more to do with TSMC dragging their feet on 20nm. Makes more sense with the bit about the first 20nm PQV samples coming back, indicating TSMC has the tech for 20nm but isn't in a rush to ramp it.

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#4
Posted 04/27/2012 04:43 PM   
Another possibility is a counter to Intel's latest

[url="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20120425125651_Intel_Fabless_Business_Model_Is_Collapsing.html"]Intel: Fabless Business Model Is Collapsing[/url]

not to mention Intel's rebuff to nVidia's suggestion to fab for contract "even unto its competitors"...

Another possibility is a counter to Intel's latest



Intel: Fabless Business Model Is Collapsing



not to mention Intel's rebuff to nVidia's suggestion to fab for contract "even unto its competitors"...


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#5
Posted 04/27/2012 11:13 PM   
Where did we say anything of the sort?


Amorphous

[quote name='RuffeDK' date='27 April 2012 - 02:54 AM' timestamp='1335520452' post='1401510']
I thought Nvidia was unsatisfied with TSMC ?
[/quote]
Where did we say anything of the sort?





Amorphous



[quote name='RuffeDK' date='27 April 2012 - 02:54 AM' timestamp='1335520452' post='1401510']

I thought Nvidia was unsatisfied with TSMC ?

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#6
Posted 04/28/2012 12:15 AM   
[quote name='Amorphous@NVIDIA' date='28 April 2012 - 01:15 AM' timestamp='1335572128' post='1401795']
Where did we say anything of the sort?


Amorphous


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yeah i also read that nvidia was unhappy with TSCM but i think it was with the 20nm gen and not 28 nm! pricing issues or something..

>>> [url="http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=225953"]click here to read[/url]
[quote name='Amorphous@NVIDIA' date='28 April 2012 - 01:15 AM' timestamp='1335572128' post='1401795']

Where did we say anything of the sort?





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yeah i also read that nvidia was unhappy with TSCM but i think it was with the 20nm gen and not 28 nm! pricing issues or something..



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#7
Posted 04/28/2012 02:10 AM   
[quote name='OblivioN_' date='28 April 2012 - 04:10 AM' timestamp='1335579055' post='1401819']
yeah i also read that nvidia was unhappy with TSCM but i think it was with the 20nm gen and not 28 nm! pricing issues or something..

>>> [url="http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=225953"]click here to read[/url]
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Yeah, it was something about Nvidia paid for every chip TSMC made for them, even though a high percentage of the chips were not working. So Nvidia paid TSMC for something to throw in the trash can...

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[quote name='OblivioN_' date='28 April 2012 - 04:10 AM' timestamp='1335579055' post='1401819']

yeah i also read that nvidia was unhappy with TSCM but i think it was with the 20nm gen and not 28 nm! pricing issues or something..



>>> click here to read



Yeah, it was something about Nvidia paid for every chip TSMC made for them, even though a high percentage of the chips were not working. So Nvidia paid TSMC for something to throw in the trash can...



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#8
Posted 04/28/2012 12:54 PM   
Show me a press release or statement NVIDIA has made that says that we were deeply unhappy with TSMC?

I see a dubious presentation that someone it interpreting to mean we're unhappy with TSMC. I don't recall anyone from NVIDIA publicly confirming that the deck even came from us let alone that the interpretation you're reading is accurate.


Amorphous

[quote name='OblivioN_' date='27 April 2012 - 07:10 PM' timestamp='1335579055' post='1401819']
yeah i also read that nvidia was unhappy with TSCM but i think it was with the 20nm gen and not 28 nm! pricing issues or something..

>>> [url="http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=225953"]click here to read[/url]
[/quote]
Show me a press release or statement NVIDIA has made that says that we were deeply unhappy with TSMC?



I see a dubious presentation that someone it interpreting to mean we're unhappy with TSMC. I don't recall anyone from NVIDIA publicly confirming that the deck even came from us let alone that the interpretation you're reading is accurate.





Amorphous



[quote name='OblivioN_' date='27 April 2012 - 07:10 PM' timestamp='1335579055' post='1401819']

yeah i also read that nvidia was unhappy with TSCM but i think it was with the 20nm gen and not 28 nm! pricing issues or something..



>>> click here to read

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#9
Posted 04/28/2012 10:00 PM   
[quote name='Amorphous@NVIDIA' date='28 April 2012 - 06:00 PM' timestamp='1335650448' post='1402059']
Show me a press release or statement NVIDIA has made that says that we were deeply unhappy with TSMC?

I see a dubious presentation that someone it interpreting to mean we're unhappy with TSMC. I don't recall anyone from NVIDIA publicly confirming that the deck even came from us let alone that the interpretation you're reading is accurate.


Amorphous
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[url="http://www.extremetech.com/computing/123529-nvidia-deeply-unhappy-with-tsmc-claims-22nm-essentially-worthless"]This[/url] was as good of a summary with supporting reasons that I could locate, but I do remember when the word of it all (lack of better composition) officially broke. It was everywhere...

This article does a good job evaluating "said" information.[/i]

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[quote name='Amorphous@NVIDIA' date='28 April 2012 - 06:00 PM' timestamp='1335650448' post='1402059']

Show me a press release or statement NVIDIA has made that says that we were deeply unhappy with TSMC?



I see a dubious presentation that someone it interpreting to mean we're unhappy with TSMC. I don't recall anyone from NVIDIA publicly confirming that the deck even came from us let alone that the interpretation you're reading is accurate.





Amorphous





This was as good of a summary with supporting reasons that I could locate, but I do remember when the word of it all (lack of better composition) officially broke. It was everywhere...



This article does a good job evaluating "said" information.




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#10
Posted 04/28/2012 10:12 PM   
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