TSMC Faces Shortage of 28nm Production Capacities - Report. Shortages for 28nm Chips Likely to Ease
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[font=Arial][left][i]As expected, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company cannot meet demand for chips produced using 28nm process technologies due to low yields and insufficient production capacities, a media report citing industry source claims. The shortages are projected to ease only by the end of Q3 2012.[/i][/left][/font]

[font=Arial][left][i]TSMC's customers who utilize 28nm process technology - Advanced Micro Devices, Nvidia Corp. and Qualcomm - have all faced shortages of 28nm chips. AMD has announced a number of 28nm graphics processing units so far, but their availability is not truly wide; Nvidia has also managed to introduce a number of 28nm GPUs, but blamed TSMC for undersupplies; Qualcomm is also frustrated with tight supply of its chips that TSMC produces using 28nm fabrication process.[/i][/left][/font]

[font=Arial][left][i]The tight supply of chips made at TSMC utilizing 28nm technology is a result of both relatively low yields (which are gradually improving) and TSMC's reluctance to quickly boost manufacturing capacities "in order to maintain gross margins", reports DigiTimes web-site.[/i][/left][/font]

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As expected, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company cannot meet demand for chips produced using 28nm process technologies due to low yields and insufficient production capacities, a media report citing industry source claims. The shortages are projected to ease only by the end of Q3 2012.
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TSMC's customers who utilize 28nm process technology - Advanced Micro Devices, Nvidia Corp. and Qualcomm - have all faced shortages of 28nm chips. AMD has announced a number of 28nm graphics processing units so far, but their availability is not truly wide; Nvidia has also managed to introduce a number of 28nm GPUs, but blamed TSMC for undersupplies; Qualcomm is also frustrated with tight supply of its chips that TSMC produces using 28nm fabrication process.
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The tight supply of chips made at TSMC utilizing 28nm technology is a result of both relatively low yields (which are gradually improving) and TSMC's reluctance to quickly boost manufacturing capacities "in order to maintain gross margins", reports DigiTimes web-site.
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#1
Posted 04/09/2012 05:57 AM   
can I just say to those that said I was full of it when I said the 680 has been outta stock due to lack of supply: I TOLD YOU SO! :-P
can I just say to those that said I was full of it when I said the 680 has been outta stock due to lack of supply: I TOLD YOU SO! :-P



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Posted 04/09/2012 06:07 AM   
Nvidia's low supply of 680's is probably one more reason why AMD hasn't dropped they prices of southern islands yet.
Nvidia's low supply of 680's is probably one more reason why AMD hasn't dropped they prices of southern islands yet.



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#3
Posted 04/09/2012 11:53 AM   
[quote name='Luke_SLI' date='09 April 2012 - 05:53 AM' timestamp='1333972405' post='1393632']
Nvidia's low supply of 680's is probably one more reason why AMD hasn't dropped they prices of southern islands yet.
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Indeed. They'd be silly to do so prior to the 7990 release at this point.
[quote name='Luke_SLI' date='09 April 2012 - 05:53 AM' timestamp='1333972405' post='1393632']

Nvidia's low supply of 680's is probably one more reason why AMD hasn't dropped they prices of southern islands yet.





Indeed. They'd be silly to do so prior to the 7990 release at this point.



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#4
Posted 04/09/2012 12:55 PM   
[quote name='Honey Badger' date='09 April 2012 - 05:55 AM' timestamp='1333976141' post='1393651']
Indeed. They'd be silly to do so prior to the 7990 release at this point.
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[quote name='Honey Badger' date='09 April 2012 - 05:55 AM' timestamp='1333976141' post='1393651']
Indeed. They'd be silly to do so prior to the 7990 release at this point.
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7990? You mean that dual GPU card that doesn't have a chance of being the best dual GPU card this gen because their choice of a 384bit bus will mean downclocking on a chip that already uses more power and dissipates more heat while delivering less performance? "That" 7990?

Know who else don't care besides the honey badger? NVIDIA. They hold all the cards this year.

As far as the supply thing goes-
Gee, dropping to a new manufacturing node hasn't resulted in record yields? That is news- it always meant...well it always means exactly that.

You do realize the reason 680s are in short supply is everyone and their brother wants one right? 7970s would be in short supply too if people actually bought them.
[quote name='Honey Badger' date='09 April 2012 - 05:55 AM' timestamp='1333976141' post='1393651']

Indeed. They'd be silly to do so prior to the 7990 release at this point.





[quote name='Honey Badger' date='09 April 2012 - 05:55 AM' timestamp='1333976141' post='1393651']

Indeed. They'd be silly to do so prior to the 7990 release at this point.





7990? You mean that dual GPU card that doesn't have a chance of being the best dual GPU card this gen because their choice of a 384bit bus will mean downclocking on a chip that already uses more power and dissipates more heat while delivering less performance? "That" 7990?



Know who else don't care besides the honey badger? NVIDIA. They hold all the cards this year.



As far as the supply thing goes-

Gee, dropping to a new manufacturing node hasn't resulted in record yields? That is news- it always meant...well it always means exactly that.



You do realize the reason 680s are in short supply is everyone and their brother wants one right? 7970s would be in short supply too if people actually bought them.

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#5
Posted 04/09/2012 05:55 PM   
Well, this is unfortunate news.

Oh well. I hope non-reference designs will be out by then so I can finally replace my 460's.
Well, this is unfortunate news.



Oh well. I hope non-reference designs will be out by then so I can finally replace my 460's.

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#6
Posted 04/09/2012 07:36 PM   
[quote name='Brian_S' date='09 April 2012 - 11:25 PM' timestamp='1333994144' post='1393786']
7990? You mean that dual GPU card that doesn't have a chance of being the best dual GPU card this gen because their choice of a 384bit bus will mean downclocking on a chip that already uses more power and dissipates more heat while delivering less performance? "That" 7990?

Know who else don't care besides the honey badger? NVIDIA. They hold all the cards this year.

As far as the supply thing goes-
Gee, dropping to a new manufacturing node hasn't resulted in record yields? That is news- it always meant...well it always means exactly that.

You do realize the reason 680s are in short supply is everyone and their brother wants one right? 7970s would be in short supply too if people actually bought them.
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The heat comment isnt exactly true, as that requires a fair ambience-controlled test environment. Unless a controlled environment is used to test temperatures, you can only look at them as indicative.

I've seen reviews where the 680 is hotter and I've seen reviews where the 7970 is.

You do realize that the power draw advantage goes back to AMD once you move beyond a single GPU?
[quote name='Brian_S' date='09 April 2012 - 11:25 PM' timestamp='1333994144' post='1393786']

7990? You mean that dual GPU card that doesn't have a chance of being the best dual GPU card this gen because their choice of a 384bit bus will mean downclocking on a chip that already uses more power and dissipates more heat while delivering less performance? "That" 7990?



Know who else don't care besides the honey badger? NVIDIA. They hold all the cards this year.



As far as the supply thing goes-

Gee, dropping to a new manufacturing node hasn't resulted in record yields? That is news- it always meant...well it always means exactly that.



You do realize the reason 680s are in short supply is everyone and their brother wants one right? 7970s would be in short supply too if people actually bought them.



The heat comment isnt exactly true, as that requires a fair ambience-controlled test environment. Unless a controlled environment is used to test temperatures, you can only look at them as indicative.



I've seen reviews where the 680 is hotter and I've seen reviews where the 7970 is.



You do realize that the power draw advantage goes back to AMD once you move beyond a single GPU?

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#7
Posted 04/10/2012 01:20 AM   
If had a 680 in my shopping basket at NCIX, Newegg and Tigerdirect for about a month now............ nothing. I gave up and got other stuff instead. The 680 is more or less a paper launch from where im sitting. Perhaps ill rethink a new gpu again when the real highend cards are released at years end...... or next year if stocking is the same as it is for the 680.
If had a 680 in my shopping basket at NCIX, Newegg and Tigerdirect for about a month now............ nothing. I gave up and got other stuff instead. The 680 is more or less a paper launch from where im sitting. Perhaps ill rethink a new gpu again when the real highend cards are released at years end...... or next year if stocking is the same as it is for the 680.
#8
Posted 04/10/2012 02:18 AM   
So.... does this mean shortage of new 28nm products for... bad yields???????? did i got it right???

will this delay the 700 series ( in October-December)???

hope not!!


i'm very hopeful in the 700 series... will be a better polished version of the 600 ones at 28nm level.... im sure!! ^_^
So.... does this mean shortage of new 28nm products for... bad yields???????? did i got it right???



will this delay the 700 series ( in October-December)???



hope not!!





i'm very hopeful in the 700 series... will be a better polished version of the 600 ones at 28nm level.... im sure!! ^_^

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#9
Posted 04/10/2012 02:29 AM   
TBH not sure about the USA GTX 680 stock, but here in Canada they have been stocking and immediately disappearing at both Newegg.ca and Canada Computers. In fact, there are about 7 GTX 680s available at CC for order when I just saw them get restocked from empty to 15 the other day.

The GTX 680s are stocking but going very very fast around here. Hopefully the TSMC can get the 28nm production ramped up when i'm ready to buy the latest GPU at the time to get the cheaper prices... or else i'll just wait.
TBH not sure about the USA GTX 680 stock, but here in Canada they have been stocking and immediately disappearing at both Newegg.ca and Canada Computers. In fact, there are about 7 GTX 680s available at CC for order when I just saw them get restocked from empty to 15 the other day.



The GTX 680s are stocking but going very very fast around here. Hopefully the TSMC can get the 28nm production ramped up when i'm ready to buy the latest GPU at the time to get the cheaper prices... or else i'll just wait.

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#10
Posted 04/10/2012 02:44 AM   
Loving that my post got deleted when it pointed out that the 7990 was brought up because that's the only reason the 7970 would price drop when the GTX 680 is not in stock, and hasn't been since release day stock ran out, nearly everywhere. Awesome.

[quote name='OblivioN_' date='09 April 2012 - 08:29 PM' timestamp='1334024954' post='1394026']
So.... does this mean shortage of new 28nm products for... bad yields???????? did i got it right???

will this delay the 700 series ( in October-December)???

hope not!!


i'm very hopeful in the 700 series... will be a better polished version of the 600 ones at 28nm level.... im sure!! ^_^
[/quote]

Assume not, Kepler's GK110 will be here in November unless TSMC's issue gets REALLY bad. The GK110 is already lurking, it's just being refined.
Loving that my post got deleted when it pointed out that the 7990 was brought up because that's the only reason the 7970 would price drop when the GTX 680 is not in stock, and hasn't been since release day stock ran out, nearly everywhere. Awesome.

[quote name='OblivioN_' date='09 April 2012 - 08:29 PM' timestamp='1334024954' post='1394026']

So.... does this mean shortage of new 28nm products for... bad yields???????? did i got it right???



will this delay the 700 series ( in October-December)???



hope not!!





i'm very hopeful in the 700 series... will be a better polished version of the 600 ones at 28nm level.... im sure!! ^_^





Assume not, Kepler's GK110 will be here in November unless TSMC's issue gets REALLY bad. The GK110 is already lurking, it's just being refined.



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#11
Posted 04/10/2012 03:06 AM   
[quote name='Brian_S' date='09 April 2012 - 10:55 AM' timestamp='1333994144' post='1393786']
7990? You mean that dual GPU card that doesn't have a chance of being the best dual GPU card this gen because their choice of a 384bit bus will mean downclocking on a chip that already uses more power and dissipates more heat while delivering less performance?
[/quote]


Why would using a wider bus require down clocking the gpu?

Also, I would prefer that my card had the ability to dissipate heat. I believe you misspoke there Brian.
[quote name='Brian_S' date='09 April 2012 - 10:55 AM' timestamp='1333994144' post='1393786']

7990? You mean that dual GPU card that doesn't have a chance of being the best dual GPU card this gen because their choice of a 384bit bus will mean downclocking on a chip that already uses more power and dissipates more heat while delivering less performance?







Why would using a wider bus require down clocking the gpu?



Also, I would prefer that my card had the ability to dissipate heat. I believe you misspoke there Brian.



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#12
Posted 04/10/2012 03:18 AM   
[quote name='Luke_SLI' date='10 April 2012 - 08:48 AM' timestamp='1334027887' post='1394047']
Also, I would prefer that my card had the ability to dissipate heat. I believe you misspoke there Brian.
[/quote]

Well said luke!

Good heat conductors are better than insulators- better heat dissipation is a GOOD thing.
[quote name='Luke_SLI' date='10 April 2012 - 08:48 AM' timestamp='1334027887' post='1394047']

Also, I would prefer that my card had the ability to dissipate heat. I believe you misspoke there Brian.





Well said luke!



Good heat conductors are better than insulators- better heat dissipation is a GOOD thing.

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#13
Posted 04/10/2012 03:42 AM   
[quote name='Honey Badger' date='10 April 2012 - 04:06 AM' timestamp='1334027174' post='1394042']
Loving that my post got deleted when it pointed out that the 7990 was brought up because that's the only reason the 7970 would price drop when the GTX 680 is not in stock, and hasn't been since release day stock ran out, nearly everywhere. Awesome.



Assume not, Kepler's GK110 will be here in November unless TSMC's issue gets REALLY bad. The GK110 is already lurking, it's just being refined.
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thank's for the quick reply again Honey! ^_^

either way i found this on the web?? O_o

[img]http://wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/133a-635x416.jpg[/img]

Source : [url="http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-kepler-roadmap-leaked-technical-specs-release-dates-detailed/"]http://wccftech.com/...dates-detailed/[/url]



AND this ( this is BS right?????? i mean.. whats with the "Copyright 2011 Nvidia Corporation on top right??) :

[img]http://wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/f4e7b310530039068f131c4f1a9ae835.jpg[/img]

Source: [url="http://wccftech.com/nvidias-kepler-based-gtxgtr-700-series-gpus-performance-compared-geforce-500-series-generation-performance-chart/"]http://wccftech.com/...formance-chart/[/url]
[quote name='Honey Badger' date='10 April 2012 - 04:06 AM' timestamp='1334027174' post='1394042']

Loving that my post got deleted when it pointed out that the 7990 was brought up because that's the only reason the 7970 would price drop when the GTX 680 is not in stock, and hasn't been since release day stock ran out, nearly everywhere. Awesome.







Assume not, Kepler's GK110 will be here in November unless TSMC's issue gets REALLY bad. The GK110 is already lurking, it's just being refined.





thank's for the quick reply again Honey! ^_^



either way i found this on the web?? O_o



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Source : http://wccftech.com/...dates-detailed/







AND this ( this is BS right?????? i mean.. whats with the "Copyright 2011 Nvidia Corporation on top right??) :



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#14
Posted 04/10/2012 09:31 PM   
[quote name='Luke_SLI' date='09 April 2012 - 08:18 PM' timestamp='1334027887' post='1394047']
Why would using a wider bus require down clocking the gpu?

Also, I would prefer that my card had the ability to dissipate heat. I believe you misspoke there Brian.
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[url="http://www.anandtech.com/show/4239/nvidias-geforce-gtx-590-duking-it-out-for-the-single-card-king"]http://www.anandtech.com/show/4239/nvidias-geforce-gtx-590-duking-it-out-for-the-single-card-king[/url]

[Quote] Meanwhile memory clocks have also been reduced to the lowest clocks we’ve seen since the GTX 470: 853.5MHz (3414MHz data rate). NVIDIA has never hit very high memory clocks on the GTX 500 series, so it stands to reason that routing two 384-bit busses only makes the job harder.[/Quote]

Beats me, ask AnandTech. Or better yet, ask NVIDIA why they bothered to downclock the memory on 590s when according to you there was no reason to. /blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' />
[quote name='Luke_SLI' date='09 April 2012 - 08:18 PM' timestamp='1334027887' post='1394047']

Why would using a wider bus require down clocking the gpu?



Also, I would prefer that my card had the ability to dissipate heat. I believe you misspoke there Brian.





http://www.anandtech.com/show/4239/nvidias-geforce-gtx-590-duking-it-out-for-the-single-card-king



[Quote] Meanwhile memory clocks have also been reduced to the lowest clocks we’ve seen since the GTX 470: 853.5MHz (3414MHz data rate). NVIDIA has never hit very high memory clocks on the GTX 500 series, so it stands to reason that routing two 384-bit busses only makes the job harder.[/Quote]



Beats me, ask AnandTech. Or better yet, ask NVIDIA why they bothered to downclock the memory on 590s when according to you there was no reason to. /blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' />

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Posted 04/11/2012 04:00 AM   
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