Full 1920X1080P@120Hz Projector FL35 wqxga
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I just came across this soon to be released projector that will allow full 1920x1080P@120Hz via a DVI-D connection.

http://www.projectiondesign.com/products/fl35-wqxga

In 2D it offers a 2560 x 1600 resolution, 2nd Gen Solid State LED, Designed for 24/7 operation, Up to 100.000 hrs service life.

Guaranteed to put a nice dent in your wallet.
I just came across this soon to be released projector that will allow full 1920x1080P@120Hz via a DVI-D connection.



http://www.projectiondesign.com/products/fl35-wqxga



In 2D it offers a 2560 x 1600 resolution, 2nd Gen Solid State LED, Designed for 24/7 operation, Up to 100.000 hrs service life.



Guaranteed to put a nice dent in your wallet.

#1
Posted 03/29/2012 11:31 PM   
If you can handle the dent in your wallet, Christie Digital make several 3D projectors with up to 1920 x 1200 (WUXGA) via Dual Link DVI-D right now. I have a Mirage WU7-K that is simply to die for in terms of image quality, but I must admit it's not the easiest projector to make play nice with GeForce drivers. It's too high-end so there's no support. The drivers don't know what it is so I have to spoof the EDID into something the driver knows - if only it knew it was a Christie that can handle anything the driver throws at it. I digress slightly, but still very much worth keeping in mind whether the FL35 will be supported by Nvidia's drivers.
If you can handle the dent in your wallet, Christie Digital make several 3D projectors with up to 1920 x 1200 (WUXGA) via Dual Link DVI-D right now. I have a Mirage WU7-K that is simply to die for in terms of image quality, but I must admit it's not the easiest projector to make play nice with GeForce drivers. It's too high-end so there's no support. The drivers don't know what it is so I have to spoof the EDID into something the driver knows - if only it knew it was a Christie that can handle anything the driver throws at it. I digress slightly, but still very much worth keeping in mind whether the FL35 will be supported by Nvidia's drivers.

#2
Posted 03/30/2012 06:02 AM   
Unfortunately they do not support them on the consumer side, but it seems they do on the pro side.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-pro-requirements.html


NVIDIA Quadro Graphics Boards and 3D Vision Pro support a wide range of stereoscopic projectors and display devices that are not 3D Vision Ready as well.

NVIDIA has tested the following projection systems:
• Barco Galaxy Stereoscopic Projectors
• Christie Digital 3D Stereoscopic Projectors
• Digital Projection 3D Stereoscopic Projectors
• Projection Design F10AS3D
Unfortunately they do not support them on the consumer side, but it seems they do on the pro side.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-pro-requirements.html





NVIDIA Quadro Graphics Boards and 3D Vision Pro support a wide range of stereoscopic projectors and display devices that are not 3D Vision Ready as well.



NVIDIA has tested the following projection systems:

• Barco Galaxy Stereoscopic Projectors

• Christie Digital 3D Stereoscopic Projectors

• Digital Projection 3D Stereoscopic Projectors

• Projection Design F10AS3D

#3
Posted 03/30/2012 06:14 AM   
Yeah, but only quad buffered openGL stuff that is synced via the VESA port. It's understandable to a degree, but if professionals want to display 3D videogame content at 1080@120Hz (like in presentation theatres), they can't. The projector works 100% at 1080p 120Hz 3D, just the GeForce driver doesn't support it. Even going Quadro with 3D Vision pro won't fix that problem.
Yeah, but only quad buffered openGL stuff that is synced via the VESA port. It's understandable to a degree, but if professionals want to display 3D videogame content at 1080@120Hz (like in presentation theatres), they can't. The projector works 100% at 1080p 120Hz 3D, just the GeForce driver doesn't support it. Even going Quadro with 3D Vision pro won't fix that problem.

#4
Posted 03/30/2012 07:31 AM   
I can't seem to find the price anywhere, what does it go for?
I can't seem to find the price anywhere, what does it go for?

i5 2500k @ 4.6GHz, 2x 570 GTX SLI @ 800/2010, 8GB DDR3, ASUS P8Z68-V, Intel SSD, 2x 1TB RAID 1, 850w Corsair

#5
Posted 03/30/2012 02:26 PM   
Over 20k. Its one of those where its price so high you have to contact a distrubutor and ask.
Over 20k. Its one of those where its price so high you have to contact a distrubutor and ask.
[quote name='eqzitara' date='30 March 2012 - 12:47 PM' timestamp='1333126027' post='1389970']
[b]Over 20k.[/b] Its one of those where its price so high you have to contact a distrubutor and ask.
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[quote name='eqzitara' date='30 March 2012 - 12:47 PM' timestamp='1333126027' post='1389970']

Over 20k. Its one of those where its price so high you have to contact a distrubutor and ask.







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i5 2500k @ 4.6GHz, 2x 570 GTX SLI @ 800/2010, 8GB DDR3, ASUS P8Z68-V, Intel SSD, 2x 1TB RAID 1, 850w Corsair

#7
Posted 03/30/2012 05:44 PM   
[quote name='Ingmar' date='29 March 2012 - 10:31 PM' timestamp='1333092711' post='1389830']
Yeah, but only quad buffered openGL stuff that is synced via the VESA port. It's understandable to a degree, but if professionals want to display 3D videogame content at 1080@120Hz (like in presentation theatres), they can't. The projector works 100% at 1080p 120Hz 3D, just the GeForce driver doesn't support it. Even going Quadro with 3D Vision pro won't fix that problem.
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The only option would be to convince the manufacturer to apply for 3D Vision certification. No idea what that entails, but I'd imagine it would be some kind of royalty on a per unit manufactured basis. But it can't be too extreme or else there wouldn't be 3D Vision support for so many budget projectors. http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-displays.html

You can always try submitting the EDID yourself, they might support it. Be sure to say you want 3D Vision over DVI-D.

Follow the instructions at the link provided but be sure to select the appropiate responses for 3D Vision and not 3DTV Play.
http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2774
[quote name='Ingmar' date='29 March 2012 - 10:31 PM' timestamp='1333092711' post='1389830']

Yeah, but only quad buffered openGL stuff that is synced via the VESA port. It's understandable to a degree, but if professionals want to display 3D videogame content at 1080@120Hz (like in presentation theatres), they can't. The projector works 100% at 1080p 120Hz 3D, just the GeForce driver doesn't support it. Even going Quadro with 3D Vision pro won't fix that problem.







The only option would be to convince the manufacturer to apply for 3D Vision certification. No idea what that entails, but I'd imagine it would be some kind of royalty on a per unit manufactured basis. But it can't be too extreme or else there wouldn't be 3D Vision support for so many budget projectors. http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-displays.html



You can always try submitting the EDID yourself, they might support it. Be sure to say you want 3D Vision over DVI-D.



Follow the instructions at the link provided but be sure to select the appropiate responses for 3D Vision and not 3DTV Play.

http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2774

#8
Posted 03/30/2012 09:31 PM   
[quote name='D-Man11' date='31 March 2012 - 07:31 AM' timestamp='1333143063' post='1390074']
The only option would be to convince the manufacturer to apply for 3D Vision certification. No idea what that entails, but I'd imagine it would be some kind of royalty on a per unit manufactured basis. But it can't be too extreme or else there wouldn't be 3D Vision support for so many budget projectors. http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-displays.html

You can always try submitting the EDID yourself, they might support it. Be sure to say you want 3D Vision over DVI-D.

Follow the instructions at the link provided but be sure to select the appropiate responses for 3D Vision and not 3DTV Play.
http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2774
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Indeed - I have already had the supplier contact Christie to apply for 3D Vision Certification. Christie replied saying it is possible, but would take time...so not sure if they actually will.

I was thinking to submit the EDID myself but as you say, that's usually for 3DTV Play (which already works fine, just @ 720 through HDMI). I'll certainly give that link a shot though - cheers :)

And Cheezeman, yeah the WU7K unfortunately goes for waaaay north of $20k... :(
[quote name='D-Man11' date='31 March 2012 - 07:31 AM' timestamp='1333143063' post='1390074']

The only option would be to convince the manufacturer to apply for 3D Vision certification. No idea what that entails, but I'd imagine it would be some kind of royalty on a per unit manufactured basis. But it can't be too extreme or else there wouldn't be 3D Vision support for so many budget projectors. http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-displays.html



You can always try submitting the EDID yourself, they might support it. Be sure to say you want 3D Vision over DVI-D.



Follow the instructions at the link provided but be sure to select the appropiate responses for 3D Vision and not 3DTV Play.

http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2774





Indeed - I have already had the supplier contact Christie to apply for 3D Vision Certification. Christie replied saying it is possible, but would take time...so not sure if they actually will.



I was thinking to submit the EDID myself but as you say, that's usually for 3DTV Play (which already works fine, just @ 720 through HDMI). I'll certainly give that link a shot though - cheers :)



And Cheezeman, yeah the WU7K unfortunately goes for waaaay north of $20k... :(

#9
Posted 04/03/2012 04:43 AM   
[quote name='Ingmar' date='03 April 2012 - 04:43 AM' timestamp='1333428193' post='1391281']
Indeed - I have already had the supplier contact Christie to apply for 3D Vision Certification. Christie replied saying it is possible, but would take time...so not sure if they actually will.

I was thinking to submit the EDID myself but as you say, that's usually for 3DTV Play (which already works fine, just @ 720 through HDMI). I'll certainly give that link a shot though - cheers :)

And Cheezeman, yeah the WU7K unfortunately goes for waaaay north of $20k... :(
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So let me get this, you have a very-high-end 20K 1080p 120hz Projector and cannot play in 3D Vision mode, only good for movies? That sucks big time.
If I ever win the lottery I will have a 3960 CPU, 3-way SLI 680 and 3 ProjectionDesing F35 1080p 120hz Projectors with a 100´´ screen each...hey, a man can dream, can´t he? :)

Cheers,
[quote name='Ingmar' date='03 April 2012 - 04:43 AM' timestamp='1333428193' post='1391281']

Indeed - I have already had the supplier contact Christie to apply for 3D Vision Certification. Christie replied saying it is possible, but would take time...so not sure if they actually will.



I was thinking to submit the EDID myself but as you say, that's usually for 3DTV Play (which already works fine, just @ 720 through HDMI). I'll certainly give that link a shot though - cheers :)



And Cheezeman, yeah the WU7K unfortunately goes for waaaay north of $20k... :(





So let me get this, you have a very-high-end 20K 1080p 120hz Projector and cannot play in 3D Vision mode, only good for movies? That sucks big time.

If I ever win the lottery I will have a 3960 CPU, 3-way SLI 680 and 3 ProjectionDesing F35 1080p 120hz Projectors with a 100´´ screen each...hey, a man can dream, can´t he? :)



Cheers,

Asus P8Z68-V Pro; i5 2500k@4.3Ghz; CPU Cooler: Scythe Mine Rev. B; GPU´s: 2x GTX570 in SLI (Core@850/Mem@2050); 8GB DDR3 1600Mhz; Asus Xonar DX; Vertex 3 120Gb SSD + 1TB HDD; Corsair Tx750w; CoolerMaster Storm Scout Case; Samsung Syncmaster 1100MB CRT Monitor ; Benq W700 720p 3D Vision Projector & 88 inch Screen, Sony 5.1 Home Cinema. (I play my games in 3D Vision mode)

#10
Posted 04/04/2012 04:58 PM   
[quote name='danevito' date='03 April 2012 - 02:04 AM' timestamp='1333451076' post='1391351']
setup 3 h5360 720p beamers vertically in surround mode and get 2160x1280 res IMAX feeling
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This seems to be the best option for High Resolution 3D Gaming at 120Hz without breaking the bank. Bad thing would be to have all 3 bulbs or color wheels go out at once.

Then there are other options like Dual Projection Passive 3D, which is unfortunately unsupported by Nvidia 3D Vision.
[quote name='danevito' date='03 April 2012 - 02:04 AM' timestamp='1333451076' post='1391351']

setup 3 h5360 720p beamers vertically in surround mode and get 2160x1280 res IMAX feeling





This seems to be the best option for High Resolution 3D Gaming at 120Hz without breaking the bank. Bad thing would be to have all 3 bulbs or color wheels go out at once.



Then there are other options like Dual Projection Passive 3D, which is unfortunately unsupported by Nvidia 3D Vision.

#11
Posted 04/04/2012 10:09 PM   
Interesting discussion - though seemingly fruitless.
I hoped to go 1080p myself - 2 years ago!
Does anybody know exactly why they wouldn't just double the acer 5360 price for 'cheapo' 1080p?
Why do they cost so much?
Is it the ss-led technology?
Why not use lamps and a better dlp reflector chip?

Seems like we don't have the technology - I blame the lack of projector interest in general,
bloody public with there plasma's and lcd's.
I swear the amount of people who see my acer - and say whaaat?
As if I shouldn't even have such 'alien technology'!
They are shocked when I mention the price - only 400 quid!

Then they try and find any faults, etc. - they find none!(But I mention the fact that daylight is your enemy - doh!)
Interesting discussion - though seemingly fruitless.

I hoped to go 1080p myself - 2 years ago!

Does anybody know exactly why they wouldn't just double the acer 5360 price for 'cheapo' 1080p?

Why do they cost so much?

Is it the ss-led technology?

Why not use lamps and a better dlp reflector chip?



Seems like we don't have the technology - I blame the lack of projector interest in general,

bloody public with there plasma's and lcd's.

I swear the amount of people who see my acer - and say whaaat?

As if I shouldn't even have such 'alien technology'!

They are shocked when I mention the price - only 400 quid!



Then they try and find any faults, etc. - they find none!(But I mention the fact that daylight is your enemy - doh!)

#12
Posted 04/17/2012 12:09 AM   
[quote name='deathorb' date='17 April 2012 - 09:09 AM' timestamp='1334621376' post='1397253']
Does anybody know exactly why they wouldn't just double the acer 5360 price for 'cheapo' 1080p?
Why do they cost so much?
[/quote]

There's plenty of 1080p 3D projectors, such as the Acer H9500BD (which is roughly twice the price of a H5360BD) or the Optoma HD33, but the problem is simply connectivity: none of these have dual DVI. Probably they figure that too few would use dual DVI to be worth the small extra cost of including it (raising the price for the vast majority who have no use for it) or perhaps due to physical space limits. For 1080p60fps 3D whether on a TV or a projector, it's really just a waiting game for the next generation of HDMI which is [url="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1341547&page=4"]slowly showing up[/url]. It's not really a problem of the hardware being too expensive.
[quote name='deathorb' date='17 April 2012 - 09:09 AM' timestamp='1334621376' post='1397253']

Does anybody know exactly why they wouldn't just double the acer 5360 price for 'cheapo' 1080p?

Why do they cost so much?





There's plenty of 1080p 3D projectors, such as the Acer H9500BD (which is roughly twice the price of a H5360BD) or the Optoma HD33, but the problem is simply connectivity: none of these have dual DVI. Probably they figure that too few would use dual DVI to be worth the small extra cost of including it (raising the price for the vast majority who have no use for it) or perhaps due to physical space limits. For 1080p60fps 3D whether on a TV or a projector, it's really just a waiting game for the next generation of HDMI which is slowly showing up. It's not really a problem of the hardware being too expensive.

#13
Posted 04/17/2012 04:48 AM   
[quote name='Airion' date='17 April 2012 - 04:48 AM' timestamp='1334638094' post='1397344']
There's plenty of 1080p 3D projectors, such as the Acer H9500BD (which is roughly twice the price of a H5360BD) or the Optoma HD33, but the problem is simply connectivity: none of these have dual DVI. Probably they figure that too few would use dual DVI to be worth the small extra cost of including it (raising the price for the vast majority who have no use for it) or perhaps due to physical space limits. For 1080p60fps 3D whether on a TV or a projector, it's really just a waiting game for the next generation of HDMI which is [url="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1341547&page=4"]slowly showing up[/url]. It's not really a problem of the hardware being too expensive.
[/quote]

I believe it is not just the connection or it would be too easy and cheap to implement, along with VGA and HDMI. I think the chip needed to display 1080p@120Mhz is quite more complex to manufacture, therefore more expensive.
I sent an e-mail to ProjectionDesign asking for the price, they said it does work with 3D Vision and that the price is 26K. But the specs are very high-end indeed, its not just the 1080p@120Mhz capabilities, if I ever win the lottery I will surely buy three of them for a 5760x1080 surround resolution with 3 Screens of 100 inches each! :)
Has anyone found a review of this projector? Why is it that no one did a proper review yet?!

Cheers
[quote name='Airion' date='17 April 2012 - 04:48 AM' timestamp='1334638094' post='1397344']

There's plenty of 1080p 3D projectors, such as the Acer H9500BD (which is roughly twice the price of a H5360BD) or the Optoma HD33, but the problem is simply connectivity: none of these have dual DVI. Probably they figure that too few would use dual DVI to be worth the small extra cost of including it (raising the price for the vast majority who have no use for it) or perhaps due to physical space limits. For 1080p60fps 3D whether on a TV or a projector, it's really just a waiting game for the next generation of HDMI which is slowly showing up. It's not really a problem of the hardware being too expensive.





I believe it is not just the connection or it would be too easy and cheap to implement, along with VGA and HDMI. I think the chip needed to display 1080p@120Mhz is quite more complex to manufacture, therefore more expensive.

I sent an e-mail to ProjectionDesign asking for the price, they said it does work with 3D Vision and that the price is 26K. But the specs are very high-end indeed, its not just the 1080p@120Mhz capabilities, if I ever win the lottery I will surely buy three of them for a 5760x1080 surround resolution with 3 Screens of 100 inches each! :)

Has anyone found a review of this projector? Why is it that no one did a proper review yet?!



Cheers

Asus P8Z68-V Pro; i5 2500k@4.3Ghz; CPU Cooler: Scythe Mine Rev. B; GPU´s: 2x GTX570 in SLI (Core@850/Mem@2050); 8GB DDR3 1600Mhz; Asus Xonar DX; Vertex 3 120Gb SSD + 1TB HDD; Corsair Tx750w; CoolerMaster Storm Scout Case; Samsung Syncmaster 1100MB CRT Monitor ; Benq W700 720p 3D Vision Projector & 88 inch Screen, Sony 5.1 Home Cinema. (I play my games in 3D Vision mode)

#14
Posted 04/17/2012 08:25 AM   
[quote name='Badelhas' date='17 April 2012 - 05:25 PM' timestamp='1334651152' post='1397389']
I believe it is not just the connection or it would be too easy and cheap to implement, along with VGA and HDMI. I think the chip needed to display 1080p@120Mhz is quite more complex to manufacture, therefore more expensive.[/quote]

Well, we already have 1080p@120hz displays which I'm sure many here are playing on, and they're not outrageously expensive. There's really no difference between monitors and projectors in terms of connectivity hardware. Dual DVI on a projector wouldn't cost any more than what already exists on 3D-ready 1080p monitors. The next generation of HDMI probably costs more than the current one, but it wouldn't be economically viable in the first place if it was a large increase. Again, I think it's not due to costs but in the case of dual DVI, it's not needed for the vast majority of users and would take up a lot of the limited space in the back of the projector (they'd probably have to rip out VGA, component, etc to physically fit it in), and in the case of HDMI, the new chips just didn't really exist when the current crop of projectors were developed. Granted, this is what I [i]think[/i] rather than what I [i]know[/i]. /smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smile:' />

Internally, 1080p 3D projectors already operate at 1080p60hz (or perhaps 1080p48hz) anyway.
[quote name='Badelhas' date='17 April 2012 - 05:25 PM' timestamp='1334651152' post='1397389']

I believe it is not just the connection or it would be too easy and cheap to implement, along with VGA and HDMI. I think the chip needed to display 1080p@120Mhz is quite more complex to manufacture, therefore more expensive.



Well, we already have 1080p@120hz displays which I'm sure many here are playing on, and they're not outrageously expensive. There's really no difference between monitors and projectors in terms of connectivity hardware. Dual DVI on a projector wouldn't cost any more than what already exists on 3D-ready 1080p monitors. The next generation of HDMI probably costs more than the current one, but it wouldn't be economically viable in the first place if it was a large increase. Again, I think it's not due to costs but in the case of dual DVI, it's not needed for the vast majority of users and would take up a lot of the limited space in the back of the projector (they'd probably have to rip out VGA, component, etc to physically fit it in), and in the case of HDMI, the new chips just didn't really exist when the current crop of projectors were developed. Granted, this is what I think rather than what I know. /smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smile:' />



Internally, 1080p 3D projectors already operate at 1080p60hz (or perhaps 1080p48hz) anyway.

#15
Posted 04/17/2012 10:23 AM   
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