Nvidia deeply unhappy with TSMC, claims 20nm essentially worthless
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[url="http://www.extremetech.com/computing/123529-nvidia-deeply-unhappy-with-tsmc-claims-22nm-essentially-worthless"]http://www.extremetech.com/computing/123529-nvidia-deeply-unhappy-with-tsmc-claims-22nm-essentially-worthless[/url]


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http://www.extremetech.com/computing/123529-nvidia-deeply-unhappy-with-tsmc-claims-22nm-essentially-worthless





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#1
Posted 03/27/2012 01:44 AM   
Looks like the kind of 'cost saving justification' we get at work - namely trying to force the supplier to drive costs down. It'll be interesting to see if it works / changes nothing / puts bad blood into their relationship.

Regardless, this shouldn't have been able to be seen by anyone outside of Nvidia / TSMC
Looks like the kind of 'cost saving justification' we get at work - namely trying to force the supplier to drive costs down. It'll be interesting to see if it works / changes nothing / puts bad blood into their relationship.



Regardless, this shouldn't have been able to be seen by anyone outside of Nvidia / TSMC

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#2
Posted 03/27/2012 07:06 AM   
further confirmed with this story

[url="http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2012/3/14/exclusive-nvidia-tapes-out-tegra-at-samsung-fab2c-ibm2c-globalfoundries-next.aspx"]http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2012/3/14/exclusive-nvidia-tapes-out-tegra-at-samsung-fab2c-ibm2c-globalfoundries-next.aspx[/url]



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#3
Posted 03/27/2012 12:56 PM   
Nvidia should be fine if TSMC skips 22nm as they're no longer adhering to Moore's Law for their high-end ASICs anyways. In that 2nd chart, 40nm to 28nm is only 3.2B (Fermi) to 3.5B (Kepler) transistors so that should make up for the loss or delay of 22nm. Nvidia will still have 28nm 6B transistor GK110 which will most likely be a hybrid of compute and gaming transistors (~100% increase in transistors compared to GK104 but 50% for compute, 50% for graphics). If they *REALLY* had to extend 28nm further, they could also create a 2x transistor version of GK104 with nearly doubled everything compared to GK104 (100% increase in transistors, 100% for graphics).
Nvidia should be fine if TSMC skips 22nm as they're no longer adhering to Moore's Law for their high-end ASICs anyways. In that 2nd chart, 40nm to 28nm is only 3.2B (Fermi) to 3.5B (Kepler) transistors so that should make up for the loss or delay of 22nm. Nvidia will still have 28nm 6B transistor GK110 which will most likely be a hybrid of compute and gaming transistors (~100% increase in transistors compared to GK104 but 50% for compute, 50% for graphics). If they *REALLY* had to extend 28nm further, they could also create a 2x transistor version of GK104 with nearly doubled everything compared to GK104 (100% increase in transistors, 100% for graphics).

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#4
Posted 03/28/2012 12:42 AM   
WAIT!! so what does this mean?? MAXWELL / Einstein gen at high prices????


not the GE force 200 uber-pricing all over again... pleaseeeeeeee

geez.... /pirate.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':pirate:' />
WAIT!! so what does this mean?? MAXWELL / Einstein gen at high prices????





not the GE force 200 uber-pricing all over again... pleaseeeeeeee



geez.... /pirate.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':pirate:' />

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#5
Posted 04/11/2012 11:35 PM   
It had to happen sooner or later.

Until they start using 3D Tri-Gate tech like Ivy Bridge E is supposed to, in GPUs, every shrink of the die gets progressively harder, and thereby more costly, to make. It's either raise the prices, or wait for the manufacturing to get cheap enough to be able to afford to sell the cards on a massive level.
It had to happen sooner or later.



Until they start using 3D Tri-Gate tech like Ivy Bridge E is supposed to, in GPUs, every shrink of the die gets progressively harder, and thereby more costly, to make. It's either raise the prices, or wait for the manufacturing to get cheap enough to be able to afford to sell the cards on a massive level.

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#6
Posted 04/12/2012 07:17 AM   
[quote name='Honey Badger' date='12 April 2012 - 08:17 AM' timestamp='1334215061' post='1395190']
It had to happen sooner or later.

Until they start using 3D Tri-Gate tech like Ivy Bridge E is supposed to, in GPUs, every shrink of the die gets progressively harder, and thereby more costly, to make. It's either raise the prices, or wait for the manufacturing to get cheap enough to be able to afford to sell the cards on a massive level.
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well... now what they gonna do? 28nm delayed.. and 20nm is worthless ($$$$)
[quote name='Honey Badger' date='12 April 2012 - 08:17 AM' timestamp='1334215061' post='1395190']

It had to happen sooner or later.



Until they start using 3D Tri-Gate tech like Ivy Bridge E is supposed to, in GPUs, every shrink of the die gets progressively harder, and thereby more costly, to make. It's either raise the prices, or wait for the manufacturing to get cheap enough to be able to afford to sell the cards on a massive level.









well... now what they gonna do? 28nm delayed.. and 20nm is worthless ($$$$)

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#7
Posted 04/13/2012 11:28 AM   
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