1080p @ 30Hz per eye (Framepacking)
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Hello,

I've read HDMI 1.4a specs and it seems Framepacking 1080p30 is in the "Primary format" list.
Does it means than every HDMI 1.4a 3DTVs accept that ?

Nvidia Team, could you consider add this format in 3DTVPlay, since 30hz is +25% better than actually 24hz.

Thanks.
Hello,



I've read HDMI 1.4a specs and it seems Framepacking 1080p30 is in the "Primary format" list.

Does it means than every HDMI 1.4a 3DTVs accept that ?



Nvidia Team, could you consider add this format in 3DTVPlay, since 30hz is +25% better than actually 24hz.



Thanks.

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#1
Posted 02/24/2012 01:39 PM   
I think it's possible, cause I have a Samsung C7000 TV and use Rollermod to play games in 1080p60hz = 30fps per eye in CRT mode using drivers 285.52.

1080p30hz is much better than 1080p24hz, that's obvious. It makes a lot of games that are unplayable at 24fps, playable at 30fps.

The deal is that 3D HDTVs were made having 1080p in mind only for bluray3D, and bluray runs at 24fps 24hz mode. That's why the 720p is the only game model, as it runs at 60hz = 60fps.

3D TVs never thought about PCs or 3D Vision, only consoles, and since PS3 and Xbox runs their majority of games in 720p resolution, they didn't care about improving the 1080p 3D mode for gaming. 1080p 3D frame packing mode was made for bluray3D only.

I'm not sure if Nvidia can add 30hz for 1080p frame packing mode, but I think they can do this revision in their drivers, and it would add a lot for 3DTV Play gameplay.

Using CRT mode (frame sequential), which was supported by Nvidia til drivers 285.62, you could get 1080p30hz, so maybe it's possible to get 30hz in frame packing mode as well. It would be a great benefit for all 3DTV Play users.

Cheers,

Franco
I think it's possible, cause I have a Samsung C7000 TV and use Rollermod to play games in 1080p60hz = 30fps per eye in CRT mode using drivers 285.52.



1080p30hz is much better than 1080p24hz, that's obvious. It makes a lot of games that are unplayable at 24fps, playable at 30fps.



The deal is that 3D HDTVs were made having 1080p in mind only for bluray3D, and bluray runs at 24fps 24hz mode. That's why the 720p is the only game model, as it runs at 60hz = 60fps.



3D TVs never thought about PCs or 3D Vision, only consoles, and since PS3 and Xbox runs their majority of games in 720p resolution, they didn't care about improving the 1080p 3D mode for gaming. 1080p 3D frame packing mode was made for bluray3D only.



I'm not sure if Nvidia can add 30hz for 1080p frame packing mode, but I think they can do this revision in their drivers, and it would add a lot for 3DTV Play gameplay.



Using CRT mode (frame sequential), which was supported by Nvidia til drivers 285.62, you could get 1080p30hz, so maybe it's possible to get 30hz in frame packing mode as well. It would be a great benefit for all 3DTV Play users.



Cheers,



Franco

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#2
Posted 02/24/2012 02:38 PM   
The newest AMD drivers allow for frame-packed 1080p@30hz for displays that support this mode. The problem is that I am not sure which displays do actually support this mode.
Franco mentioned CRT mode, but this is not in the hdmi 1.4a spec and I'm also not sure how a tv could run frame-sequential without 3dtvplay (not a roller-modded driver). I wouldn't put too much faith in playing 1080p@30hz any time soon, just look at how long it is taking to integrate SBS.
The newest AMD drivers allow for frame-packed 1080p@30hz for displays that support this mode. The problem is that I am not sure which displays do actually support this mode.

Franco mentioned CRT mode, but this is not in the hdmi 1.4a spec and I'm also not sure how a tv could run frame-sequential without 3dtvplay (not a roller-modded driver). I wouldn't put too much faith in playing 1080p@30hz any time soon, just look at how long it is taking to integrate SBS.
#3
Posted 02/24/2012 02:48 PM   
Nvidia doesn't want to integrate SBS, if they did, we would already have it. Andrew Fear and Nvidia team thinks that 3D should be automatic like 3D Vision Ready displays mode or Frame Packed. They think we are too lazy to press the 3D key in our remote control and choose SBS mode. As SBS is not an automatic 3D mode, Nvidia will never support it, their policy, go figure???

Are you sure AMD allows for 1080p30hz frame packed??? Aren't you confusing frame packing with frame sequential mode? If it's frame packing, any 3D TV in the market support this mode, all HDMI 1.4 devices support 3D frame packing. That's why I think you're mistaking frame packing with frame sequential mode.

CRT mode has nothing to do with HDMI 1.4 devides. CRT mode is frame sequential, it's the same 3D mode that runs in every 3D Vision Ready display. It's called CRT mode, cause it's not a 3D Vision Ready mode made for the 120hz LCD displays supported by Nvidia. This mode was used by legacy users that had a 3D Vision kit and wanted to use it with a CRT display capable of 100-120hz.

Some 3D TVs, like Samsung 2010 models supports Frame sequential and also checkerboard mode. Rollermod was just an EDID override based on a HDMI 1.3 Samsung 3DTV from 2008 that supports 3D Vision, not 3DTV Play. Using Rollermod would make Nvidia drivers think your TV was the 2008 model, not 2010, so instead of frame packing 1080p24hz or 720p60hz, you could have frame sequential (CRT mode) 1080p60hz = 30fps per eye or Checkerboard (DLP Mode) 1080p60hz = 60fps per eye (note that CB is not full resolution per eye though).
So, Rollermod is not a modded driver or anything like that, it's just a EDID based in a 2008 Samsung Plasma TV that supports the 3D Vision modes Frame Sequential and Checkerboard.

Therefore, in order to use Rollermod, your TV must support Frame Sequential or Checkerboard modes, and only a few Samsung 3DTV models do.

The deal is that 3D Vision is great product and we all love it. I guess we can't say the same about 3DTV Play, cause we're doomed to play at scalled 720p resolution. If Nvidia listened to us, the least they could do to workaround this limitation is to add support for SBS mode instead of making us playing at 720p when we use TVs that have native 1080p resolution, which makes the 3D games look ugly and pixelized.

Nvidia should know by now that Checkerboard (only a few 3DTVs supports this mode), or side-by-side mode (all 3DTVs supports this mode), are by far better than frame packing 720p60hz. SBS implementation to 3DTV Play software would mean the world for many 3D Vision users as we all want to play games at native 1080p resolution.

I'm not sure if Frame packed 1080p30hz is possible, but if it is, Nvidia should really pay attention to that, since it's an automatic 3D mode like they pledge is the right 3D to be used by gamers. They will never support SBS, We've tried this request before and I've lost my faith on this matter.

Andrew has already stated that if it's not an automatic 3D mode, Nvidia will not support it.

Nvidia is not really adding support to new features, they are now eliminating support to some features that were part of 3D Vision for a long time like CRT mode. I hope they don't do the same to DLP mode (Checkerboard).
Nvidia doesn't want to integrate SBS, if they did, we would already have it. Andrew Fear and Nvidia team thinks that 3D should be automatic like 3D Vision Ready displays mode or Frame Packed. They think we are too lazy to press the 3D key in our remote control and choose SBS mode. As SBS is not an automatic 3D mode, Nvidia will never support it, their policy, go figure???



Are you sure AMD allows for 1080p30hz frame packed??? Aren't you confusing frame packing with frame sequential mode? If it's frame packing, any 3D TV in the market support this mode, all HDMI 1.4 devices support 3D frame packing. That's why I think you're mistaking frame packing with frame sequential mode.



CRT mode has nothing to do with HDMI 1.4 devides. CRT mode is frame sequential, it's the same 3D mode that runs in every 3D Vision Ready display. It's called CRT mode, cause it's not a 3D Vision Ready mode made for the 120hz LCD displays supported by Nvidia. This mode was used by legacy users that had a 3D Vision kit and wanted to use it with a CRT display capable of 100-120hz.



Some 3D TVs, like Samsung 2010 models supports Frame sequential and also checkerboard mode. Rollermod was just an EDID override based on a HDMI 1.3 Samsung 3DTV from 2008 that supports 3D Vision, not 3DTV Play. Using Rollermod would make Nvidia drivers think your TV was the 2008 model, not 2010, so instead of frame packing 1080p24hz or 720p60hz, you could have frame sequential (CRT mode) 1080p60hz = 30fps per eye or Checkerboard (DLP Mode) 1080p60hz = 60fps per eye (note that CB is not full resolution per eye though).

So, Rollermod is not a modded driver or anything like that, it's just a EDID based in a 2008 Samsung Plasma TV that supports the 3D Vision modes Frame Sequential and Checkerboard.



Therefore, in order to use Rollermod, your TV must support Frame Sequential or Checkerboard modes, and only a few Samsung 3DTV models do.



The deal is that 3D Vision is great product and we all love it. I guess we can't say the same about 3DTV Play, cause we're doomed to play at scalled 720p resolution. If Nvidia listened to us, the least they could do to workaround this limitation is to add support for SBS mode instead of making us playing at 720p when we use TVs that have native 1080p resolution, which makes the 3D games look ugly and pixelized.



Nvidia should know by now that Checkerboard (only a few 3DTVs supports this mode), or side-by-side mode (all 3DTVs supports this mode), are by far better than frame packing 720p60hz. SBS implementation to 3DTV Play software would mean the world for many 3D Vision users as we all want to play games at native 1080p resolution.



I'm not sure if Frame packed 1080p30hz is possible, but if it is, Nvidia should really pay attention to that, since it's an automatic 3D mode like they pledge is the right 3D to be used by gamers. They will never support SBS, We've tried this request before and I've lost my faith on this matter.



Andrew has already stated that if it's not an automatic 3D mode, Nvidia will not support it.



Nvidia is not really adding support to new features, they are now eliminating support to some features that were part of 3D Vision for a long time like CRT mode. I hope they don't do the same to DLP mode (Checkerboard).

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#4
Posted 02/24/2012 06:34 PM   
Sony lists 1080p30 for 2012 TVs and some from 2011 have it listed too but doesn't specify whether its for 2d only. Andrew said SBS would be here about now, so i expect it here pretty soon. I've been waiting to play many games, so i hope they hurry.
Sony lists 1080p30 for 2012 TVs and some from 2011 have it listed too but doesn't specify whether its for 2d only. Andrew said SBS would be here about now, so i expect it here pretty soon. I've been waiting to play many games, so i hope they hurry.

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#5
Posted 02/24/2012 08:26 PM   
You guys just need to be patient imo, SBS and 1080p/30 3D output modes were not part of HDMI 1.4 3D specs when the spec was ratified, they were tacked on later with 1.4a. Nvidia (AndrewF) has stated repeatedly they only originally set out to support HDMI 1.4 3D modes with 3DTV Play. The logical conclusion is when Nvidia adopts HDMI 1.4a output with 3DTV Play, you'll get more output choices. Generally, you need a catalyst to drive these kinds of big product updates and announcments and they typically arrive with major new product releases. 3DTV Play 2? Maybe with the launch of Kepler we'll know more.

Also, Nvidia does support 1080i/60 (similar or same as SBS-half) in 3D right now with Optimized for GeForce logo program, so its obvious Nvidia is capable and willing to support more 3D modes, its just a matter of how and when and under what circumstances.
You guys just need to be patient imo, SBS and 1080p/30 3D output modes were not part of HDMI 1.4 3D specs when the spec was ratified, they were tacked on later with 1.4a. Nvidia (AndrewF) has stated repeatedly they only originally set out to support HDMI 1.4 3D modes with 3DTV Play. The logical conclusion is when Nvidia adopts HDMI 1.4a output with 3DTV Play, you'll get more output choices. Generally, you need a catalyst to drive these kinds of big product updates and announcments and they typically arrive with major new product releases. 3DTV Play 2? Maybe with the launch of Kepler we'll know more.



Also, Nvidia does support 1080i/60 (similar or same as SBS-half) in 3D right now with Optimized for GeForce logo program, so its obvious Nvidia is capable and willing to support more 3D modes, its just a matter of how and when and under what circumstances.

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#6
Posted 02/24/2012 08:42 PM   
The latest AMD gpus do indeed support 1080p FP at 30hz -
http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/1080p-30hz-3d-mode/
"HDMI 1.4a 30Hz 3D mode on supported hardware"....hmm, if hdmi 1.4a is in fact a standard, which supports 1080p 3d at 30hz mode, doesn't this automatically mean that the current hdmi 1.4a devices can run this signal if it is provided?
The latest AMD gpus do indeed support 1080p FP at 30hz -

http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/1080p-30hz-3d-mode/

"HDMI 1.4a 30Hz 3D mode on supported hardware"....hmm, if hdmi 1.4a is in fact a standard, which supports 1080p 3d at 30hz mode, doesn't this automatically mean that the current hdmi 1.4a devices can run this signal if it is provided?
#7
Posted 02/24/2012 11:44 PM   
Hello,

Thanks for your answers, i'm glad to see many people wanting an effort from Nvidia for 3DTVPlay !



As i understand it, the "frame sequential" mode (Generic CRT in 3D Vision) is not the same signal than Framepacking 1080p30.

In Frame Sequential, left image is sended, then the right one, etc.
In Frame Packing, both images are sended at the same time (a "big" image about ~2200p (2x1080 + space between them)

So actually there is no way to have Frame packing 1080p30 by EDID Overide or other tweak.




Here is a link to get HDMI 1.4a Specs (specially the 3D chapter) http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/specification.aspx

Even 1080p60 (per eye) is listed, but it is in the "secondary 3D format" section, so i guess this is the optional part (manufacturers don't have to support them to be "1.4a").

But, that's the important point, 1080p30 (per eye) is in the "primary 3D format" section.
And i suppose this is the compulsory part. So every HDMI 1.4a 3DTV should already support 1080p30 per eye /rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' />




Of Course, 1080p60 SBS (per eye) is a missing feature too.
(and/or 1080p60 TopBottom (per eye), since it's better for Passive 3DTV. But problem, only 1080p24 TopBottom is in the primary 3D format... )



I hope 3DTVPlay 2 will come very soon with these new options.
- Full HD per eye @ 30fps for slow games
- Half Full HD per eye @ 60fps for fast games.

That would be awesome. /heart.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':heart:' />
Hello,



Thanks for your answers, i'm glad to see many people wanting an effort from Nvidia for 3DTVPlay !







As i understand it, the "frame sequential" mode (Generic CRT in 3D Vision) is not the same signal than Framepacking 1080p30.



In Frame Sequential, left image is sended, then the right one, etc.

In Frame Packing, both images are sended at the same time (a "big" image about ~2200p (2x1080 + space between them)



So actually there is no way to have Frame packing 1080p30 by EDID Overide or other tweak.









Here is a link to get HDMI 1.4a Specs (specially the 3D chapter) http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/specification.aspx



Even 1080p60 (per eye) is listed, but it is in the "secondary 3D format" section, so i guess this is the optional part (manufacturers don't have to support them to be "1.4a").



But, that's the important point, 1080p30 (per eye) is in the "primary 3D format" section.

And i suppose this is the compulsory part. So every HDMI 1.4a 3DTV should already support 1080p30 per eye /rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' />









Of Course, 1080p60 SBS (per eye) is a missing feature too.

(and/or 1080p60 TopBottom (per eye), since it's better for Passive 3DTV. But problem, only 1080p24 TopBottom is in the primary 3D format... )







I hope 3DTVPlay 2 will come very soon with these new options.

- Full HD per eye @ 30fps for slow games

- Half Full HD per eye @ 60fps for fast games.



That would be awesome. /heart.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':heart:' />

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#8
Posted 02/25/2012 01:11 AM   
[quote name='chiz' date='24 February 2012 - 09:42 PM' timestamp='1330116133' post='1374584']
Also, Nvidia does support 1080i/60 (similar or same as SBS-half) in 3D right now with Optimized for GeForce logo program, so its obvious Nvidia is capable and willing to support more 3D modes, its just a matter of how and when and under what circumstances.
[/quote]
I have a problem with the expression "1080i SBS" (nothing personal /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' /> )

For me, "i" refers to interlaced. That's not the case for Side by Side. It's Half-1080[b]p[/b].

Are you saying Nvidia driver already does SBS when it detects a "Optimized for GeForce" monitor ?
If a such monitor exists with HDMI connection, maybe a new EDID overide would help us to get SBS... /ph34r.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':ph34r:' />
[quote name='chiz' date='24 February 2012 - 09:42 PM' timestamp='1330116133' post='1374584']

Also, Nvidia does support 1080i/60 (similar or same as SBS-half) in 3D right now with Optimized for GeForce logo program, so its obvious Nvidia is capable and willing to support more 3D modes, its just a matter of how and when and under what circumstances.



I have a problem with the expression "1080i SBS" (nothing personal /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' /> )



For me, "i" refers to interlaced. That's not the case for Side by Side. It's Half-1080p.



Are you saying Nvidia driver already does SBS when it detects a "Optimized for GeForce" monitor ?

If a such monitor exists with HDMI connection, maybe a new EDID overide would help us to get SBS... /ph34r.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':ph34r:' />

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#9
Posted 02/25/2012 01:22 AM   
[quote name='ZePRiNCE' date='25 February 2012 - 01:11 AM' timestamp='1330132273' post='1374694']
I hope 3DTVPlay 2 will come very soon with these new options.
- Full HD per eye @ 30fps for slow games
- Half Full HD per eye @ 60fps for fast games.

That would be awesome. /heart.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':heart:' />
[/quote]

I totally agree with everything you said. You see, 3DTV Play 2 new features would have exactly what Rollermod provides for my Samsung C7000 TV. Checkerboard which would be compared to SBS mode, and Generic CRT mode = Full 1080p30hz.
Now, I only have CB, cause CRT mode has been removed from the newest drivers. I can always go back to drivers 285.62 If I want, some games like Batman AC look way better in FS 1080p30hz.

Believe, I've played more games in FS 1080p30hz than in Checkerboard 1080p60hz using my Sammy Plasma. 30fps is OK for many games, only 1st person shooters I coudn't play, and the image quality is amazing. Games like Batman AC look gorgeous!!! It's a huge step over FP 1080p24hz, it feels more than just 25% increase in FPS, gameplay is way smoother, it's playable like a console that runs in 30fps average.

So, I guess my Samsung C7000 3D Plasma TV 2010 model also supports HDMI 1.4a, cause its capable of 1080p30hz in Generic CRT mode, right? Nvidia just needs to implement these changes in their drivers or they rely on something else?
[quote name='ZePRiNCE' date='25 February 2012 - 01:11 AM' timestamp='1330132273' post='1374694']

I hope 3DTVPlay 2 will come very soon with these new options.

- Full HD per eye @ 30fps for slow games

- Half Full HD per eye @ 60fps for fast games.



That would be awesome. /heart.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':heart:' />





I totally agree with everything you said. You see, 3DTV Play 2 new features would have exactly what Rollermod provides for my Samsung C7000 TV. Checkerboard which would be compared to SBS mode, and Generic CRT mode = Full 1080p30hz.

Now, I only have CB, cause CRT mode has been removed from the newest drivers. I can always go back to drivers 285.62 If I want, some games like Batman AC look way better in FS 1080p30hz.



Believe, I've played more games in FS 1080p30hz than in Checkerboard 1080p60hz using my Sammy Plasma. 30fps is OK for many games, only 1st person shooters I coudn't play, and the image quality is amazing. Games like Batman AC look gorgeous!!! It's a huge step over FP 1080p24hz, it feels more than just 25% increase in FPS, gameplay is way smoother, it's playable like a console that runs in 30fps average.



So, I guess my Samsung C7000 3D Plasma TV 2010 model also supports HDMI 1.4a, cause its capable of 1080p30hz in Generic CRT mode, right? Nvidia just needs to implement these changes in their drivers or they rely on something else?

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#10
Posted 02/25/2012 01:49 AM   
[quote name='ZePRiNCE' date='24 February 2012 - 08:22 PM' timestamp='1330132958' post='1374699']
I have a problem with the expression "1080i SBS" (nothing personal /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' /> )

For me, "i" refers to interlaced. That's not the case for Side by Side. It's Half-1080[b]p[/b].

Are you saying Nvidia driver already does SBS when it detects a "Optimized for GeForce" monitor ?
If a such monitor exists with HDMI connection, maybe a new EDID overide would help us to get SBS... /ph34r.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':ph34r:' />
[/quote]
Yep, its np, that's why I said "1080i/60 (similar or same as SBS-half)" and not 1080i SBS, as the "Optimized for GeForce" passive interlaced displays are 1080i/60, but this is just an output mode. The actual HDMI transmission format may be the same as SBS-half with interleaved half images that are displayed in interlaced format, the only difference being SBS output would interpolate the missing lines for half-fidelity full resolution 1080p output.

Again, I don't know if its framepacked SBS-half or alternating interleaved lines for each eye, I just know the passive displays that support it output 3D at 1080i/60.
[quote name='ZePRiNCE' date='24 February 2012 - 08:22 PM' timestamp='1330132958' post='1374699']

I have a problem with the expression "1080i SBS" (nothing personal /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' /> )



For me, "i" refers to interlaced. That's not the case for Side by Side. It's Half-1080p.



Are you saying Nvidia driver already does SBS when it detects a "Optimized for GeForce" monitor ?

If a such monitor exists with HDMI connection, maybe a new EDID overide would help us to get SBS... /ph34r.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':ph34r:' />



Yep, its np, that's why I said "1080i/60 (similar or same as SBS-half)" and not 1080i SBS, as the "Optimized for GeForce" passive interlaced displays are 1080i/60, but this is just an output mode. The actual HDMI transmission format may be the same as SBS-half with interleaved half images that are displayed in interlaced format, the only difference being SBS output would interpolate the missing lines for half-fidelity full resolution 1080p output.



Again, I don't know if its framepacked SBS-half or alternating interleaved lines for each eye, I just know the passive displays that support it output 3D at 1080i/60.

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#11
Posted 02/25/2012 01:58 AM   
[quote name='chiz' date='25 February 2012 - 02:58 AM' timestamp='1330135130' post='1374715']The actual HDMI transmission format may be the same as SBS-half with interleaved half images that are displayed in interlaced format, the only difference being SBS output would interpolate the missing lines for half-fidelity full resolution 1080p output.
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I tried the Zalman/Acer passive EDID Override, so my GPU was sending 1080i60 per eye.
My TV support the SBS/TP and it did'nt work at all.

So the format is not exactly the same (probably close..)


[quote name='francomg' date='25 February 2012 - 02:49 AM' timestamp='1330134547' post='1374709']
So, I guess my Samsung C7000 3D Plasma TV 2010 model also supports HDMI 1.4a, [b]cause its capable[/b] of 1080p30hz in Generic CRT mode, right? Nvidia just needs to implement these changes in their drivers or they rely on something else?
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Maybe. Maybe not.
1080p30 FP is a different format than 1080p30 FS (= PF: Page Flipping), so your TV may not understand if it's not certified "1.4a".

And Checkerboard is a little better than SBS/TopBottom, since every missing pixel is surrounded by 4 existant pixels.
(Whereas in SBS/TP... only 2 existant pixels : left and right on SBS, top and bottom on TP)
So with Checkerboard, the recalculated pixel is closer to the lost original pixel.
For you, Nvidia has to maintain Checkerboard support too (and add it to 3DTVPlay).

(Personnally i have a Panasonic VT30, so Rollermod/ZalmanPassiveEDID are useless for me /confused.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':confused:' />
My only hope is Nvidia add 1080p30 FP and 1080p60 SBS/TP in 3DTVPlay /rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' /> )

[quote name='francomg' date='25 February 2012 - 02:49 AM' timestamp='1330134547' post='1374709']
Believe, [b]I've played more games in FS 1080p30hz than in Checkerboard 1080p60hz[/b] using my Sammy Plasma. 30fps is OK for many games, only 1st person shooters I coudn't play, and the image quality is amazing. Games like Batman AC look gorgeous!!! It's a huge step over FP 1080p24hz, it feels more than just 25% increase in FPS, gameplay is way smoother, it's playable like a console that runs in 30fps average. [/quote]
Very interesting /biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':biggrin:' />

At the moment, i play Batman AA/AC and GTA4 in 1080p24, they are almost smooth.
(Mafia 2 is unplayable, not very smooth, and too input lag due to 24hz)

I want to play other games like you at 1080p per eye /woot.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':woot:' />
[quote name='chiz' date='25 February 2012 - 02:58 AM' timestamp='1330135130' post='1374715']The actual HDMI transmission format may be the same as SBS-half with interleaved half images that are displayed in interlaced format, the only difference being SBS output would interpolate the missing lines for half-fidelity full resolution 1080p output.



I tried the Zalman/Acer passive EDID Override, so my GPU was sending 1080i60 per eye.

My TV support the SBS/TP and it did'nt work at all.



So the format is not exactly the same (probably close..)





[quote name='francomg' date='25 February 2012 - 02:49 AM' timestamp='1330134547' post='1374709']

So, I guess my Samsung C7000 3D Plasma TV 2010 model also supports HDMI 1.4a, cause its capable of 1080p30hz in Generic CRT mode, right? Nvidia just needs to implement these changes in their drivers or they rely on something else?



Maybe. Maybe not.

1080p30 FP is a different format than 1080p30 FS (= PF: Page Flipping), so your TV may not understand if it's not certified "1.4a".



And Checkerboard is a little better than SBS/TopBottom, since every missing pixel is surrounded by 4 existant pixels.

(Whereas in SBS/TP... only 2 existant pixels : left and right on SBS, top and bottom on TP)

So with Checkerboard, the recalculated pixel is closer to the lost original pixel.

For you, Nvidia has to maintain Checkerboard support too (and add it to 3DTVPlay).



(Personnally i have a Panasonic VT30, so Rollermod/ZalmanPassiveEDID are useless for me /confused.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':confused:' />

My only hope is Nvidia add 1080p30 FP and 1080p60 SBS/TP in 3DTVPlay /rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' /> )



[quote name='francomg' date='25 February 2012 - 02:49 AM' timestamp='1330134547' post='1374709']

Believe, I've played more games in FS 1080p30hz than in Checkerboard 1080p60hz using my Sammy Plasma. 30fps is OK for many games, only 1st person shooters I coudn't play, and the image quality is amazing. Games like Batman AC look gorgeous!!! It's a huge step over FP 1080p24hz, it feels more than just 25% increase in FPS, gameplay is way smoother, it's playable like a console that runs in 30fps average.

Very interesting /biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':biggrin:' />



At the moment, i play Batman AA/AC and GTA4 in 1080p24, they are almost smooth.

(Mafia 2 is unplayable, not very smooth, and too input lag due to 24hz)



I want to play other games like you at 1080p per eye /woot.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':woot:' />

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#12
Posted 02/25/2012 03:12 PM   
I loaded up Metro 2033 in 1080p24 in DX9 using Refreshlock and it was almost playable. I bet 1080p30 would work well.
I loaded up Metro 2033 in 1080p24 in DX9 using Refreshlock and it was almost playable. I bet 1080p30 would work well.

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#13
Posted 02/25/2012 08:34 PM   
[quote name='Libertine' date='25 February 2012 - 11:34 PM' timestamp='1330202091' post='1375055']
I loaded up Metro 2033 in 1080p24 in DX9 using Refreshlock and it was almost playable. I bet 1080p30 would work well.
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I have found assassin's creed (the fist one) to be really playable at 1080p24hz with interpolation, so if your tv has interpolation you should definitely try enabling it. This is true only for some games, as artefacting can get very annoying and playing at 24hz is too unresponsive for some games.
[quote name='Libertine' date='25 February 2012 - 11:34 PM' timestamp='1330202091' post='1375055']

I loaded up Metro 2033 in 1080p24 in DX9 using Refreshlock and it was almost playable. I bet 1080p30 would work well.



I have found assassin's creed (the fist one) to be really playable at 1080p24hz with interpolation, so if your tv has interpolation you should definitely try enabling it. This is true only for some games, as artefacting can get very annoying and playing at 24hz is too unresponsive for some games.
#14
Posted 02/28/2012 09:58 AM   
Are you sure your TV does interpolation at 3D ?
My panasonic doesn't.

Could the nvidia team tell us if framepacking 30fps is possible ?
Are you sure your TV does interpolation at 3D ?

My panasonic doesn't.



Could the nvidia team tell us if framepacking 30fps is possible ?

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#15
Posted 02/28/2012 12:17 PM   
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