PGU upgrade time, dont want to bottleneck pls help! help with deciding what graphicscard to get?
Hello there! im a dedicated gamer with bf3 - minecraft in my daily routine.
i have been stuck with a shortage of income for a while and have limited upgrade funds
so alltho gaming is my major hobby its still pretty limited.

my current setup is as follows:
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Gainward GeForce GTS250 1GB PhysX CUDA PCI-Express 2.0, GDDR3, DVI, native-HDMI, Graphics Plus,"Deep Green", 675MHz
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Intel Coreâ„¢ i5 Quad Processor i5-760 Quad Core, 2.80Ghz, Socket 1156, 8MB, 95W, Boxed w/fan
ASUS P7P55D-E, Socket-1156 ATX, P55, DDR3, 2xPCIe(2.0)x16, GbLAN, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.0
Crucial DDR3 1333MHz 8GB KIT, CL9, Kit w/two matched DDR3 4GB, 240pin
Silver Power SP-SS500 500W PSU

running windows 7 ultimate x64..

So to the point,
i feel that getting a new gpu would serve well for my setup but i also grasp the fact that the cpu might bottleneck it pretty easy.
i have been looking @ gtx 560 ti OC but not sure if thats the right way to go so therefor im turning to the experts!

**~150-250€** range (**200-300$**)

i hope i filled in with all info needed to give you an idea of what im up against and feel free to give any other random advice :)

- Endid
Hello there! im a dedicated gamer with bf3 - minecraft in my daily routine.

i have been stuck with a shortage of income for a while and have limited upgrade funds

so alltho gaming is my major hobby its still pretty limited.



my current setup is as follows:

-------------

Gainward GeForce GTS250 1GB PhysX CUDA PCI-Express 2.0, GDDR3, DVI, native-HDMI, Graphics Plus,"Deep Green", 675MHz

-------------

Intel Coreâ„¢ i5 Quad Processor i5-760 Quad Core, 2.80Ghz, Socket 1156, 8MB, 95W, Boxed w/fan

ASUS P7P55D-E, Socket-1156 ATX, P55, DDR3, 2xPCIe(2.0)x16, GbLAN, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.0

Crucial DDR3 1333MHz 8GB KIT, CL9, Kit w/two matched DDR3 4GB, 240pin

Silver Power SP-SS500 500W PSU



running windows 7 ultimate x64..



So to the point,

i feel that getting a new gpu would serve well for my setup but i also grasp the fact that the cpu might bottleneck it pretty easy.

i have been looking @ gtx 560 ti OC but not sure if thats the right way to go so therefor im turning to the experts!



**~150-250€** range (**200-300$**)



i hope i filled in with all info needed to give you an idea of what im up against and feel free to give any other random advice :)



- Endid

#1
Posted 02/18/2012 06:48 PM   
I used to have an i5-760. It is a terrific processor with plenty of grunt. If you can get it comfortable at 4.0-4.2Ghz, you don't have to worry about it for another 2 years or so. /biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':biggrin:' />

In summary:
[list]
[*]Pick up a GTX 570 or the 560 you are looking at
[*]Purchase a Corsair H80 and clock your current cpu ~ 4.2Ghz
[/list]

This will have you playing just about any 1080p game for the next year or two.
I used to have an i5-760. It is a terrific processor with plenty of grunt. If you can get it comfortable at 4.0-4.2Ghz, you don't have to worry about it for another 2 years or so. /biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':biggrin:' />



In summary:


  • Pick up a GTX 570 or the 560 you are looking at
  • Purchase a Corsair H80 and clock your current cpu ~ 4.2Ghz




This will have you playing just about any 1080p game for the next year or two.



8130p @ 5.1Ghz : GTX 570 x2 - cuda workstation



i5-2500k @ 4.4Ghz : GTX 570 - itx media pc

#2
Posted 02/19/2012 01:18 AM   
[quote name='Luke_SLI' date='19 February 2012 - 02:18 AM' timestamp='1329614302' post='1371198']
I used to have an i5-760. It is a terrific processor with plenty of grunt. If you can get it comfortable at 4.0-4.2Ghz, you don't have to worry about it for another 2 years or so. /biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':biggrin:' />

In summary:
[list]
[*]Pick up a GTX 570 or the 560 you are looking at
[*]Purchase a Corsair H80 and clock your current cpu ~ 4.2Ghz
[/list]

This will have you playing just about any 1080p game for the next year or two.
[/quote]


Good to hear that its not all just bad atleast /wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />

but as my plan stands i also hope to be able to pull this new card with me to my next build and go for SLI so i also would like some input of the future diffrence of 560tioc - 570, in lets say 1 year from now which one would be the better choice to go SLI with and or is any of them even gonna be up for sale?
[quote name='Luke_SLI' date='19 February 2012 - 02:18 AM' timestamp='1329614302' post='1371198']

I used to have an i5-760. It is a terrific processor with plenty of grunt. If you can get it comfortable at 4.0-4.2Ghz, you don't have to worry about it for another 2 years or so. /biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':biggrin:' />



In summary:


  • Pick up a GTX 570 or the 560 you are looking at
  • Purchase a Corsair H80 and clock your current cpu ~ 4.2Ghz




This will have you playing just about any 1080p game for the next year or two.







Good to hear that its not all just bad atleast /wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />



but as my plan stands i also hope to be able to pull this new card with me to my next build and go for SLI so i also would like some input of the future diffrence of 560tioc - 570, in lets say 1 year from now which one would be the better choice to go SLI with and or is any of them even gonna be up for sale?

#3
Posted 02/19/2012 04:10 AM   
The 570, definitely.

Although the 560TiOC is as fast as the 570 due to its high clock speeds, the 570 has 25% more cores and so is a more powerful card. And 570s can be overclocked too (if necessary and then trounce the 560. But the real difference is that it has more RAM. There are games about now that like a bit more than 1GB.

So, if you're going to buy a 560Ti, it should be a 2GB version or the 448 core version that has 1.25GB of RAM. Have to say I'm wary of that one, though. They're calling it a 'Limited Edition', so it could be hard to pick up another later for SLI. Of course, the 570 won't be available for ever, either, but there may be more of them about on the second-hand market when you want another.
The 570, definitely.



Although the 560TiOC is as fast as the 570 due to its high clock speeds, the 570 has 25% more cores and so is a more powerful card. And 570s can be overclocked too (if necessary and then trounce the 560. But the real difference is that it has more RAM. There are games about now that like a bit more than 1GB.



So, if you're going to buy a 560Ti, it should be a 2GB version or the 448 core version that has 1.25GB of RAM. Have to say I'm wary of that one, though. They're calling it a 'Limited Edition', so it could be hard to pick up another later for SLI. Of course, the 570 won't be available for ever, either, but there may be more of them about on the second-hand market when you want another.

Core i5 4670K @ 4.3GHz with 4GHz uncore
Corsair H100 water cooler
8GB Patriot Viper DDR3 @ 2400MHz
Gigabyte Z87X-OC mobo
SLI eVGA GTX670 FTW (1227MHz boost 6800MHz VRAM)
Soundblaster Z with 5.1 speakers
112GB OCZ Vertex 3 SSD
240GB OCZ Vertex 4 SSD
Corsair Carbide 500R case (white)
Akasa PowerXtreme 1200W PSU
HP ZR2740W 2560 x 1440 27" IPS panel
Windows 7 Pro 64bit

#4
Posted 02/19/2012 10:15 AM   
Better upgrade that PSU also if you're going to go with a GTX 570. Each of its 2 +12V rails only provides 17A max, and according to various reviews that PSU has problems keeping its +12V voltage stable when stressed. If you're going to go SLI in the future, might as well go for a decent 850W PSU at a minimum.
Better upgrade that PSU also if you're going to go with a GTX 570. Each of its 2 +12V rails only provides 17A max, and according to various reviews that PSU has problems keeping its +12V voltage stable when stressed. If you're going to go SLI in the future, might as well go for a decent 850W PSU at a minimum.

CPU: Intel Core i5-2550K @4.4GHz
Mainboard: MSI Z77A-GD43 (Intel Z77 chipset)
Graphics: MSI N660Ti PE 2GD5/OC (GeForce GTX 660 Ti @1019MHz)
RAM: 2 x 4GB Visipro PC3-12800 (1.5V @933MHz)
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit Service Pack 1
PSU: Seasonic Eco 600W SS-600BT Active PFC T3
Monitor: Asus VX239H (23" Full HD AH-IPS LED Display)

#5
Posted 02/19/2012 11:45 AM   
[quote name='Discordia' date='19 February 2012 - 11:15 AM' timestamp='1329646510' post='1371271']
The 570, definitely.

Although the 560TiOC is as fast as the 570 due to its high clock speeds, the 570 has 25% more cores and so is a more powerful card. And 570s can be overclocked too (if necessary and then trounce the 560. But the real difference is that it has more RAM. There are games about now that like a bit more than 1GB.

So, if you're going to buy a 560Ti, it should be a 2GB version or the 448 core version that has 1.25GB of RAM. Have to say I'm wary of that one, though. They're calling it a 'Limited Edition', so it could be hard to pick up another later for SLI. Of course, the 570 won't be available for ever, either, but there may be more of them about on the second-hand market when you want another.
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Thanks for the advice much helpful! :)

[quote name='Ital' date='19 February 2012 - 12:45 PM' timestamp='1329651945' post='1371291']
Better upgrade that PSU also if you're going to go with a GTX 570. Each of its 2 +12V rails only provides 17A max, and according to various reviews that PSU has problems keeping its +12V voltage stable when stressed. If you're going to go SLI in the future, might as well go for a decent 850W PSU at a minimum.
[/quote]

Well for the next comp setup its gonna be a totally new one with nothing less then awsome stuf in it, but for now you dont think my current stands a chance keeping 1 gtx 570 alive?
[quote name='Discordia' date='19 February 2012 - 11:15 AM' timestamp='1329646510' post='1371271']

The 570, definitely.



Although the 560TiOC is as fast as the 570 due to its high clock speeds, the 570 has 25% more cores and so is a more powerful card. And 570s can be overclocked too (if necessary and then trounce the 560. But the real difference is that it has more RAM. There are games about now that like a bit more than 1GB.



So, if you're going to buy a 560Ti, it should be a 2GB version or the 448 core version that has 1.25GB of RAM. Have to say I'm wary of that one, though. They're calling it a 'Limited Edition', so it could be hard to pick up another later for SLI. Of course, the 570 won't be available for ever, either, but there may be more of them about on the second-hand market when you want another.





Thanks for the advice much helpful! :)



[quote name='Ital' date='19 February 2012 - 12:45 PM' timestamp='1329651945' post='1371291']

Better upgrade that PSU also if you're going to go with a GTX 570. Each of its 2 +12V rails only provides 17A max, and according to various reviews that PSU has problems keeping its +12V voltage stable when stressed. If you're going to go SLI in the future, might as well go for a decent 850W PSU at a minimum.





Well for the next comp setup its gonna be a totally new one with nothing less then awsome stuf in it, but for now you dont think my current stands a chance keeping 1 gtx 570 alive?

#6
Posted 02/19/2012 02:49 PM   
[quote name='endid' date='19 February 2012 - 09:49 PM' timestamp='1329662947' post='1371347']
Well for the next comp setup its gonna be a totally new one with nothing less then awsome stuf in it, but for now you dont think my current stands a chance keeping 1 gtx 570 alive?
[/quote]
Nvidia recommends a 550W PSU minimum for the GTX 570, and judging from the total amount of +12V current that your current PSU can supply, it's closer to my 450W PSU than a 500W PSU. Your dual-rail 500W can provide 34A max (2 x 17A) whereas my single-rail 450W Corsair PSU can provide 33A max (and based on jonnyguru review it can actually do a bit more). Also the dual rail design of your PSU can cause a problem if power is not distributed evenly between the 2 rails. And as I have said, reviews point out that the +12V rails suffer voltage drops when stressed near the limit.

In short, your current PSU is not a very good 500W PSU and may cause problems with a GTX 570 especially an overclocked one. A GTX 560 Ti would probably be fine though as long as it's not overclocked too much.
[quote name='endid' date='19 February 2012 - 09:49 PM' timestamp='1329662947' post='1371347']

Well for the next comp setup its gonna be a totally new one with nothing less then awsome stuf in it, but for now you dont think my current stands a chance keeping 1 gtx 570 alive?



Nvidia recommends a 550W PSU minimum for the GTX 570, and judging from the total amount of +12V current that your current PSU can supply, it's closer to my 450W PSU than a 500W PSU. Your dual-rail 500W can provide 34A max (2 x 17A) whereas my single-rail 450W Corsair PSU can provide 33A max (and based on jonnyguru review it can actually do a bit more). Also the dual rail design of your PSU can cause a problem if power is not distributed evenly between the 2 rails. And as I have said, reviews point out that the +12V rails suffer voltage drops when stressed near the limit.



In short, your current PSU is not a very good 500W PSU and may cause problems with a GTX 570 especially an overclocked one. A GTX 560 Ti would probably be fine though as long as it's not overclocked too much.

CPU: Intel Core i5-2550K @4.4GHz
Mainboard: MSI Z77A-GD43 (Intel Z77 chipset)
Graphics: MSI N660Ti PE 2GD5/OC (GeForce GTX 660 Ti @1019MHz)
RAM: 2 x 4GB Visipro PC3-12800 (1.5V @933MHz)
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit Service Pack 1
PSU: Seasonic Eco 600W SS-600BT Active PFC T3
Monitor: Asus VX239H (23" Full HD AH-IPS LED Display)

#7
Posted 02/19/2012 03:29 PM   
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