Sony â—¦Sony HMZ-T1 HMD support is now available New 3DTV Play Update Utility
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Hi

3DTV Play update with support for the Sony HMD is now available.

Just install 285.62 or 285.79 and then install this update.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play-support-update-utility-driver.html
Hi



3DTV Play update with support for the Sony HMD is now available.



Just install 285.62 or 285.79 and then install this update.



http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play-support-update-utility-driver.html

#1
Posted 11/14/2011 06:20 PM   
My hero - off to testing. Many thanks for the swift support, Andrew (and Nvidia, of course)!
My hero - off to testing. Many thanks for the swift support, Andrew (and Nvidia, of course)!

#2
Posted 11/14/2011 06:33 PM   
Cheers Andrew, should have mines on wednesday, great to know that the software is ready before hand.


Dave
Cheers Andrew, should have mines on wednesday, great to know that the software is ready before hand.





Dave

I5 2500K 4.4ghz H60 Corsair cooling
GTX 780 Ti
8GB DDR3 1600mhz
Windows 7 64bit
NXZT Phantom (white)
HMZ-T1 and 50" panasonic 3d plasma

#3
Posted 11/14/2011 07:42 PM   
"[b]I have seen the Gates of Oblivion, beyond which no waking eye may see.[/b]", Emperor Uriel Septim VII

I just entered the rabbit hole, swallowed the red pill, who knows if waking I may ever see...

The gadget from the future HMZ-T1 3d Personal Viewer from Sony, marvellous 3d Vision tech from Nvidia and the most immersive RPG ever created so far, Skyrim from Bethesda, just decided to form a warband together and carried me right away - off to Never-Never-Land, Enter Sandman :).

It works, Andrew, it works magnificiently well. There are several huge advantages of using the HMZ-T1 over a monitor (but also some drawbacks, which though are rather ignorable compared to the advantages):

1. No loss of colour or light - atmospheric vibrance is 100%ly preserved in stereo 3d: so beautiful, so alive, so free
2. No Ghosting - as in absolutley no ghosting: A blessing for the eyes, no distractions anymore
3. Deep, satisfying stereo 3d, with convergence adjustable as you like - yes, all kind of stuff comes out of that giant screen if you choose appropriate convergence; I wish the max depth was even deeper, ie a defalut screen size below 80inch; now, perhaps I trick myself here, cause I have no double image which I usually use to see maximum bearable depth, but I feel it could be even more; don't get it wrong - it has very good depth already nonetheless
4. Huge screen (what size of illusion you will trick yourself into is subjective I guess, but much larger than my good old Smsung 2233rz, Andrew and team assumed 80 inch, at least that's what the registry hints at; now of course this also depends on the assumed sitting distance)
5. Super fast FPS-wise (it's just 1280*720 res, much welcomed by Skyrim, it's super fluent gameplay this way with a GTX 580 at least, all maxed out)
6. Amazing colours (I use "warm2" as colour tone and display mode "brilliant"), very deep black level, no reaction lag that I perceive at all, these 720p look high resolution still, especially with AA fully in
7. Blends out the real world (not fully, some light goes through, but very, very much, you really sink into it)
8. It's cool to see the screen, no matter where you tilt your head; you can simulate head tracking this way, hehe - of course I wait anxiously for the real thing
9. Play lying, slumped on the couch, with a blanket above your head, whatever... next thing tomorrow is get myself soem wireless mouse, wireless keyboard, gamepad for windows wireless controller, perhaps even some cosy new chair/couch/relax thingy...
10. Even large glasses can be used with it without any problems
11. No sea sickness or isolation feeling or whatever for me, just cool, full immersion
12. Very nice surround headphone sound (I am by far no sound expert though)

Now for the drawbacks:

1. It's a weight on your nose or your forehead, no matter what; this gets strenous when playing over a long time (actually in the neck, too); not horrible, but simply noticable
2. It's hard to rightly adjust; it took me 2 days and I almost was willing to return it actually; have patience, bring time, sleep a night over it or two; bluriness at the edges is your enemy - it's almost gone for me now, a little rest remains though; I use the smallest head piece in the top position; top strap fully closed, three holes visible in back head strap; side fastenings slightly tightened, but not much; a significant part of the weight is on my nose, which allows for the right view angle; actually I like it much more this way than my former high pressure trials resulting in the famous red mark on my front head from all the pressure; liek stereo 3d I think this is partially also a learning process for the brain, so really, take your time
3. Obvious, but: you cannot see the keyboard nor your food or whatever you find handy to look at sometimes
4. While the res appears to me much more tahn mere 1280*720, it's also by perceiption somewhat less than HD or even 1650*1080; with Anti-Aliasing as mentioned above though most of it can be nicely compensated for
5. I still struggle with elegnatly switching it and my monitor, buit this is probably just me
6. Tied to cable and to extra unit - no great mobility (of course perfect for hotel stays etc though)

It's an addictive experience - and I am the hell looking forward to delve deeper into this :).

Best wishes

Bobarr aka youngneil1
"I have seen the Gates of Oblivion, beyond which no waking eye may see.", Emperor Uriel Septim VII



I just entered the rabbit hole, swallowed the red pill, who knows if waking I may ever see...



The gadget from the future HMZ-T1 3d Personal Viewer from Sony, marvellous 3d Vision tech from Nvidia and the most immersive RPG ever created so far, Skyrim from Bethesda, just decided to form a warband together and carried me right away - off to Never-Never-Land, Enter Sandman :).



It works, Andrew, it works magnificiently well. There are several huge advantages of using the HMZ-T1 over a monitor (but also some drawbacks, which though are rather ignorable compared to the advantages):



1. No loss of colour or light - atmospheric vibrance is 100%ly preserved in stereo 3d: so beautiful, so alive, so free

2. No Ghosting - as in absolutley no ghosting: A blessing for the eyes, no distractions anymore

3. Deep, satisfying stereo 3d, with convergence adjustable as you like - yes, all kind of stuff comes out of that giant screen if you choose appropriate convergence; I wish the max depth was even deeper, ie a defalut screen size below 80inch; now, perhaps I trick myself here, cause I have no double image which I usually use to see maximum bearable depth, but I feel it could be even more; don't get it wrong - it has very good depth already nonetheless

4. Huge screen (what size of illusion you will trick yourself into is subjective I guess, but much larger than my good old Smsung 2233rz, Andrew and team assumed 80 inch, at least that's what the registry hints at; now of course this also depends on the assumed sitting distance)

5. Super fast FPS-wise (it's just 1280*720 res, much welcomed by Skyrim, it's super fluent gameplay this way with a GTX 580 at least, all maxed out)

6. Amazing colours (I use "warm2" as colour tone and display mode "brilliant"), very deep black level, no reaction lag that I perceive at all, these 720p look high resolution still, especially with AA fully in

7. Blends out the real world (not fully, some light goes through, but very, very much, you really sink into it)

8. It's cool to see the screen, no matter where you tilt your head; you can simulate head tracking this way, hehe - of course I wait anxiously for the real thing

9. Play lying, slumped on the couch, with a blanket above your head, whatever... next thing tomorrow is get myself soem wireless mouse, wireless keyboard, gamepad for windows wireless controller, perhaps even some cosy new chair/couch/relax thingy...

10. Even large glasses can be used with it without any problems

11. No sea sickness or isolation feeling or whatever for me, just cool, full immersion

12. Very nice surround headphone sound (I am by far no sound expert though)



Now for the drawbacks:



1. It's a weight on your nose or your forehead, no matter what; this gets strenous when playing over a long time (actually in the neck, too); not horrible, but simply noticable

2. It's hard to rightly adjust; it took me 2 days and I almost was willing to return it actually; have patience, bring time, sleep a night over it or two; bluriness at the edges is your enemy - it's almost gone for me now, a little rest remains though; I use the smallest head piece in the top position; top strap fully closed, three holes visible in back head strap; side fastenings slightly tightened, but not much; a significant part of the weight is on my nose, which allows for the right view angle; actually I like it much more this way than my former high pressure trials resulting in the famous red mark on my front head from all the pressure; liek stereo 3d I think this is partially also a learning process for the brain, so really, take your time

3. Obvious, but: you cannot see the keyboard nor your food or whatever you find handy to look at sometimes

4. While the res appears to me much more tahn mere 1280*720, it's also by perceiption somewhat less than HD or even 1650*1080; with Anti-Aliasing as mentioned above though most of it can be nicely compensated for

5. I still struggle with elegnatly switching it and my monitor, buit this is probably just me

6. Tied to cable and to extra unit - no great mobility (of course perfect for hotel stays etc though)



It's an addictive experience - and I am the hell looking forward to delve deeper into this :).



Best wishes



Bobarr aka youngneil1

#4
Posted 11/14/2011 10:06 PM   
"9. Play lying, slumped on the couch, with a blanket above your head, whatever... next thing tomorrow is get myself soem wireless mouse, wireless keyboard, gamepad for windows wireless controller, perhaps even some cosy new chair/couch/relax thingy..."

I got a chair from office dept.. that has a huge rotating neck support.. with feet up it bloody comfy and i can lift my head a little if i need to recheck the illuminated keys. Sony need to bring out some slightly transparent blinkers. :)
"9. Play lying, slumped on the couch, with a blanket above your head, whatever... next thing tomorrow is get myself soem wireless mouse, wireless keyboard, gamepad for windows wireless controller, perhaps even some cosy new chair/couch/relax thingy..."



I got a chair from office dept.. that has a huge rotating neck support.. with feet up it bloody comfy and i can lift my head a little if i need to recheck the illuminated keys. Sony need to bring out some slightly transparent blinkers. :)

#5
Posted 11/14/2011 10:21 PM   
Sweet! does this mean we might get support for sony's new playstation 3D display later down the line?
Sweet! does this mean we might get support for sony's new playstation 3D display later down the line?

#6
Posted 11/14/2011 10:27 PM   
MW3 with this is intense.. breaking a sweat. This is next generation immersion.

Skyrim needs to support trackir. With arma and head track it's pretty awesome.

Thanks so much for the support Andrew.
MW3 with this is intense.. breaking a sweat. This is next generation immersion.



Skyrim needs to support trackir. With arma and head track it's pretty awesome.



Thanks so much for the support Andrew.

#7
Posted 11/14/2011 11:00 PM   
Ok i've not played with multiple monitor setups for a long time. Is there a way to just get the drivers to load the game on the HMD?

i know it used to be in the nvidia application area.. bu this just seems to be available for 3d settings now and you cannot chose the monitor of
choice. Thanks loads, Brian
Ok i've not played with multiple monitor setups for a long time. Is there a way to just get the drivers to load the game on the HMD?



i know it used to be in the nvidia application area.. bu this just seems to be available for 3d settings now and you cannot chose the monitor of

choice. Thanks loads, Brian

#8
Posted 11/15/2011 12:03 AM   
It is not playing nicely with my multiple monitors. I have an acer hn274h and a Samsung and the sony hmd. No matter what combination I try, to turn off monitors, assign different primaries the best can get is for 3dtvplay to recognize the Sony as a blue ray device. (although it knows it is a Sony hmd in the multiple screen setup area). As a blue ray device it gives me limited 3d. Can get Nvidia test pattern on the hmd and can adjust depth and convergence there, but not in the few games that will run in 3d.

It seem that it wants me to buy 3dtvplay because it doesn't see the Nvidia USB emitter which I don't have on this pc because I am using the built in acer emitter.

I have the latest beta drivers and I have downloaded the 3dtvplay update. Please don't tell me I have to buy 3dtvplay because I am using an acer?

Edit 1.. Yep that sems to be the case. I tried my emitter from my other computer and the hmd now works as 3dtv play. Evidently acer 3d vision users are second class citizens. And have to pay extra for 3dtv play since they don't have an nvidia emitter???
It is not playing nicely with my multiple monitors. I have an acer hn274h and a Samsung and the sony hmd. No matter what combination I try, to turn off monitors, assign different primaries the best can get is for 3dtvplay to recognize the Sony as a blue ray device. (although it knows it is a Sony hmd in the multiple screen setup area). As a blue ray device it gives me limited 3d. Can get Nvidia test pattern on the hmd and can adjust depth and convergence there, but not in the few games that will run in 3d.



It seem that it wants me to buy 3dtvplay because it doesn't see the Nvidia USB emitter which I don't have on this pc because I am using the built in acer emitter.



I have the latest beta drivers and I have downloaded the 3dtvplay update. Please don't tell me I have to buy 3dtvplay because I am using an acer?



Edit 1.. Yep that sems to be the case. I tried my emitter from my other computer and the hmd now works as 3dtv play. Evidently acer 3d vision users are second class citizens. And have to pay extra for 3dtv play since they don't have an nvidia emitter???

#9
Posted 11/15/2011 03:30 AM   
Awesome news! I can't wait to get mine.
Awesome news! I can't wait to get mine.
#10
Posted 11/15/2011 04:17 AM   
I made myself some batch file which adds a ton of additional depth (or so I imagine, at least now I think it's as deep as I ever could wish for, thanks to Bloody from 3d Vision blog for the instructions: [url="http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/monitorsize/"]3d Vision Blog Instructions[/url] ; this variant is for 64bit systems):

@Echo Off
@START /D "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\SteamApps\common\skyrim" TESV.exe
@TIMEOUT 10
@REG ADD "HKLM\Software\Wow6432Node\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\Stereo3D" /v MonitorSize /t REG_DWORD /d 50 /f

This I click to start Skyrim and it sets the supposed screensize to HEX 50 (DECIMAL 80) - Nvidia's defaults are at HEX A0 (DECIMAL 160). The decicmal numbers are double the diagnoal of your screen in inch. Now with the HMZ-T it's hard to say what its diagonal is and how far you sit away from it. I found Nvidia defaults good, but longed for more and this does it (or I illusion myself into it here, hehe). The smaller you set that number, the more depth you get. I would be eager to know if this works for you, too, and which settings fit the best for you (depth wheel of the emitter to 100%).

Again, I cannot believe how absolutley mindblowing this HMZ-T (togther with Nvidia's drivers and Skyrim) is. It's the most immersive gaming experience of my life so far - by a tremendous amount compared to anything I know. Perhaps high end projector users would not be so impressed (though they too have to rely on dimming glasses and images diplayed on top of each other), hard for me to say as I never used a projector for stereo 3d gaming.

If I was swimming in money, I would make a bundle and sent it to Todd Howards and Pete Hines from Bethesda to show them what they are actually missing - it would bring them to tears (they would hide them of course, hehe, but hey, I would know nonetheless, harf!).

Ah, add another drawback (trying to remain as objective as somebody totally blown away can be):
7. Harder to scratch forehead when it itches, damn it :).
I made myself some batch file which adds a ton of additional depth (or so I imagine, at least now I think it's as deep as I ever could wish for, thanks to Bloody from 3d Vision blog for the instructions: 3d Vision Blog Instructions ; this variant is for 64bit systems):



@Echo Off

@START /D "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\SteamApps\common\skyrim" TESV.exe

@TIMEOUT 10

@REG ADD "HKLM\Software\Wow6432Node\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\Stereo3D" /v MonitorSize /t REG_DWORD /d 50 /f



This I click to start Skyrim and it sets the supposed screensize to HEX 50 (DECIMAL 80) - Nvidia's defaults are at HEX A0 (DECIMAL 160). The decicmal numbers are double the diagnoal of your screen in inch. Now with the HMZ-T it's hard to say what its diagonal is and how far you sit away from it. I found Nvidia defaults good, but longed for more and this does it (or I illusion myself into it here, hehe). The smaller you set that number, the more depth you get. I would be eager to know if this works for you, too, and which settings fit the best for you (depth wheel of the emitter to 100%).



Again, I cannot believe how absolutley mindblowing this HMZ-T (togther with Nvidia's drivers and Skyrim) is. It's the most immersive gaming experience of my life so far - by a tremendous amount compared to anything I know. Perhaps high end projector users would not be so impressed (though they too have to rely on dimming glasses and images diplayed on top of each other), hard for me to say as I never used a projector for stereo 3d gaming.



If I was swimming in money, I would make a bundle and sent it to Todd Howards and Pete Hines from Bethesda to show them what they are actually missing - it would bring them to tears (they would hide them of course, hehe, but hey, I would know nonetheless, harf!).



Ah, add another drawback (trying to remain as objective as somebody totally blown away can be):

7. Harder to scratch forehead when it itches, damn it :).

#11
Posted 11/15/2011 09:25 AM   
Hi

There issues around multi-monitor right now. We are aware of them and we are working on a better way to allow end user selection.
Hi



There issues around multi-monitor right now. We are aware of them and we are working on a better way to allow end user selection.

#12
Posted 11/15/2011 03:45 PM   
Thanks Andrew!

System Information says my 3DTV Play is still a trial version to expire in 11 days.
I have the emitter/dongle connected via USB.
And I have three monitors with built in emitter connected.
What can I do to get the full version of 3DTV Play?
Already tried to run the activation utility again, but it is still a trial.
Am I missing something here?

Any help appreciated.
Thanks Andrew!



System Information says my 3DTV Play is still a trial version to expire in 11 days.

I have the emitter/dongle connected via USB.

And I have three monitors with built in emitter connected.

What can I do to get the full version of 3DTV Play?

Already tried to run the activation utility again, but it is still a trial.

Am I missing something here?



Any help appreciated.

#13
Posted 11/15/2011 04:31 PM   
This is exciting news. I'm deff. getting one of these but Sony won't ship until Jan 17 due to backlog.

Do you have to use this via 3DTV play ?

If so did you see any slow down/ degrading in FPS or quality due to using the device vida 3DTV play bs compared to using just the base driver and 3D monitor? Any quality compromise of gameplay/graphics/lag/?

[quote name='Bobarr' date='15 November 2011 - 02:25 AM' timestamp='1321349117' post='1326765']
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[size="4"]Again, I cannot believe how absolutley mindblowing this HMZ-T (togther with Nvidia's drivers and Skyrim) is. It's the most immersive gaming experience of my life so far - by a tremendous amount compared to anything I know.[/size]

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[/quote]
This is exciting news. I'm deff. getting one of these but Sony won't ship until Jan 17 due to backlog.



Do you have to use this via 3DTV play ?



If so did you see any slow down/ degrading in FPS or quality due to using the device vida 3DTV play bs compared to using just the base driver and 3D monitor? Any quality compromise of gameplay/graphics/lag/?



[quote name='Bobarr' date='15 November 2011 - 02:25 AM' timestamp='1321349117' post='1326765']

....some text deleted....





Again, I cannot believe how absolutley mindblowing this HMZ-T (togther with Nvidia's drivers and Skyrim) is. It's the most immersive gaming experience of my life so far - by a tremendous amount compared to anything I know.



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Game buying habit:3D games only

Intel Core i7 920 @4.2 GHz + ASUS P6T

Win7-64 Home Premium, GTX 770

Samsung HL61A750, Benq W1070 (123" of glorious 3D)

#14
Posted 11/15/2011 05:24 PM   
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='15 November 2011 - 03:45 PM' timestamp='1321371924' post='1326971']
Hi

There issues around multi-monitor right now. We are aware of them and we are working on a better way to allow end user selection.
[/quote]

Hi Andrew, can you be more specific?

I have SLI and 3 3d devices connected to my pc, one 3dtv play tv (hdmi), one 3d monitor (dual link dvi) and a 3d projector (connected both via hdmi and vga).

Because of the various problems I've had in the past, I've ended up only physically connecting certain devices at any one time, as the drivers seem to get confused about which devices can do 3d (they all can) and what resolutions and refresh rates are supported.
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='15 November 2011 - 03:45 PM' timestamp='1321371924' post='1326971']

Hi



There issues around multi-monitor right now. We are aware of them and we are working on a better way to allow end user selection.





Hi Andrew, can you be more specific?



I have SLI and 3 3d devices connected to my pc, one 3dtv play tv (hdmi), one 3d monitor (dual link dvi) and a 3d projector (connected both via hdmi and vga).



Because of the various problems I've had in the past, I've ended up only physically connecting certain devices at any one time, as the drivers seem to get confused about which devices can do 3d (they all can) and what resolutions and refresh rates are supported.

GTX 690, I5-2500k ~ 4Ghz, 3x BenQ XL2420T, Asus VG236H, Viewsonic PJD 6531W, Samsung LE46 C750, Samsung 830 SSD, Crucial M4 SSD, 3D vision kit, Xpand x104 glasses, XFX 850W PSU, Win 7 64

#15
Posted 11/15/2011 05:32 PM   
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