NVIDIA Delays Kepler and other GPUs By Hilbert Hagedoorn, July 11, 2011 - 8:28 PM
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[quote] [font="Verdana"][size="2"][img]http://www.guru3d.com/-/nvidia.jpg[/img]Despite Nvidia CEO Huang Jen-hsun previously saying that the company is set to announce its new 28nm GPU architecture at the end of 2011 and 22/20nm in 2013, sources from graphics card makers have pointed out that Nvidia has already adjusted its roadmap and delayed 28nm Kepler and 22/20nm Maxwell to 2012 and 2014, says [url="http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110707PD211.html"]DigiTimes[/url].

The sources believe that the delay is due to unsatisfactory yield rates of Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company's (TSMC) 28nm process as well as lower-than-expected performance of Kepler.

TSMC originally expected its 28nm capacity at Fab15 to be available in the fourth quarter of 2011 and was set to start pilot production for its 20nm process technology in the third quarter of 2012.

However, TSMC's other major client Qualcomm, currently, still has not yet adjusted its 28nm process schedule and is set to launch three new products, 8960. 8270 and 8260A using dual-core Krait architecture in the fourth quarter of 2011.

Meanwhile, AMD will follow its original schedule and enter the 28nm era in the first half of 2012. The company's next-generation graphics chips Southern Island as well as Krishna and Wichita processors, which will replace the existing Ontraio and Zacate processors, and will all adopt a 28nm process from TSMC.[/quote]

[/size][/font]Awwwww barnacles!I was really hyped 4 Keplar, guess we will see it, just don't know when.



~Nutz



From Guru3D:







ImageDespite Nvidia CEO Huang Jen-hsun previously saying that the company is set to announce its new 28nm GPU architecture at the end of 2011 and 22/20nm in 2013, sources from graphics card makers have pointed out that Nvidia has already adjusted its roadmap and delayed 28nm Kepler and 22/20nm Maxwell to 2012 and 2014, says DigiTimes.



The sources believe that the delay is due to unsatisfactory yield rates of Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company's (TSMC) 28nm process as well as lower-than-expected performance of Kepler.



TSMC originally expected its 28nm capacity at Fab15 to be available in the fourth quarter of 2011 and was set to start pilot production for its 20nm process technology in the third quarter of 2012.



However, TSMC's other major client Qualcomm, currently, still has not yet adjusted its 28nm process schedule and is set to launch three new products, 8960. 8270 and 8260A using dual-core Krait architecture in the fourth quarter of 2011.



Meanwhile, AMD will follow its original schedule and enter the 28nm era in the first half of 2012. The company's next-generation graphics chips Southern Island as well as Krishna and Wichita processors, which will replace the existing Ontraio and Zacate processors, and will all adopt a 28nm process from TSMC.




Awwwww barnacles!I was really hyped 4 Keplar, guess we will see it, just don't know when.







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#1
Posted 07/11/2011 08:37 AM   
I admit I really don't know what to do...I've currently 2 options:

1) Cutting Edge Technology option: Buy a GTX 560 Ti (OC to 1 Ghz) for 200 bucks to substitute my actual Geforce 9600GT and keep it with my actual Phenom II x4 @ 2,8 Ghz while waiting for Sandy Bridge-E (probably dual SB-E in a next-gen EVGA Classified mobo) and 2 Kepler in SLI....(yeah, I REALLY want to build a beast :) ). Good to keep up with Skyrim at a decent resolution (1680x1050) and have fun with it while I wait.

2) Tested and Reliable Technology option: Buy my new rig in Oct of this year as I had planned, probably a Octo-Core Bulldozer + 2 of the best existing GTX 580 cards in SLI (I have doubts about the HD 7xxx beating the 580). Good to build now my new rig, play games and forget about it.

I guess it's about Bulldozer performance (if it's poor, I'd rather wait), and when Kepler would hit the market. I guess I'll wait until October and see what news there are before making my choice.

Games I want to play (all at 1920x1080/1200 as absolute minimum):

- Crysis (replay)
- Crysis 2 DX11
- BF3
- Skyrim
- Mass Effect 3
- Next GTA (probably)
- Metro 2033 @ next Metro.
- Some other good stuff for several years :)
I admit I really don't know what to do...I've currently 2 options:



1) Cutting Edge Technology option: Buy a GTX 560 Ti (OC to 1 Ghz) for 200 bucks to substitute my actual Geforce 9600GT and keep it with my actual Phenom II x4 @ 2,8 Ghz while waiting for Sandy Bridge-E (probably dual SB-E in a next-gen EVGA Classified mobo) and 2 Kepler in SLI....(yeah, I REALLY want to build a beast :) ). Good to keep up with Skyrim at a decent resolution (1680x1050) and have fun with it while I wait.



2) Tested and Reliable Technology option: Buy my new rig in Oct of this year as I had planned, probably a Octo-Core Bulldozer + 2 of the best existing GTX 580 cards in SLI (I have doubts about the HD 7xxx beating the 580). Good to build now my new rig, play games and forget about it.



I guess it's about Bulldozer performance (if it's poor, I'd rather wait), and when Kepler would hit the market. I guess I'll wait until October and see what news there are before making my choice.



Games I want to play (all at 1920x1080/1200 as absolute minimum):



- Crysis (replay)

- Crysis 2 DX11

- BF3

- Skyrim

- Mass Effect 3

- Next GTA (probably)

- Metro 2033 @ next Metro.

- Some other good stuff for several years :)

#2
Posted 07/11/2011 07:08 PM   
Given Nvidia's history of botched designs, delays, exaggerated performance claims (Fermi), I never believed for a second we would see Kepler in Q4 2011. Nor did I believe 2x the performance of Fermi claim, especially since recent stories have releaved that there will be only 750 or so CUDA processors vs the 1024 of earlier predictions. We'll be lucky of we get 1.5x Fermi.
Of course Nvidia blames TSMC, but somehow AMD isn't having a problem. It's the Fermi debacle all over again.
Given Nvidia's history of botched designs, delays, exaggerated performance claims (Fermi), I never believed for a second we would see Kepler in Q4 2011. Nor did I believe 2x the performance of Fermi claim, especially since recent stories have releaved that there will be only 750 or so CUDA processors vs the 1024 of earlier predictions. We'll be lucky of we get 1.5x Fermi.

Of course Nvidia blames TSMC, but somehow AMD isn't having a problem. It's the Fermi debacle all over again.

#3
Posted 07/11/2011 08:13 PM   
AMD is having problems hence their wait - they were suppose to be out 2Q in april
we are in 3Q and may have to wait for 4Q for AMD

they are using completely new architecture ..so they will have plenty of issue including drivers problems more so in the beginning


kepler will be full double precision
if you made kepler with as many cores as fermi it be twice as fast as the fermi's
(to do double precision it took twice as much work to do calculation with SP...hence fermis are slower)

but we have going for 768 cores - so it will be approx 3x faster for same power envelope
(we'll have to see how efficient on the power side they are whether they need more juice or less)
AMD is having problems hence their wait - they were suppose to be out 2Q in april

we are in 3Q and may have to wait for 4Q for AMD



they are using completely new architecture ..so they will have plenty of issue including drivers problems more so in the beginning





kepler will be full double precision

if you made kepler with as many cores as fermi it be twice as fast as the fermi's

(to do double precision it took twice as much work to do calculation with SP...hence fermis are slower)



but we have going for 768 cores - so it will be approx 3x faster for same power envelope

(we'll have to see how efficient on the power side they are whether they need more juice or less)



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#4
Posted 07/11/2011 08:28 PM   
[quote name='Xavier Zepherios' date='11 July 2011 - 02:28 PM' timestamp='1310416081' post='1263033']
AMD is having problems hence their wait - they were suppose to be out 2Q in april
we are in 3Q and may have to wait for 4Q for AMD

they are using completely new architecture ..so they will have plenty of issue including drivers problems..and more so in the beginning


kepler will be full double precision
if you made kepler with as many cores as fermi it be twice as fast as the fermi's
(to do double precision it took twice as much work to do calculation with SP...hence fermis are slower)

but we have going for 768 cores - so it will be approx 3x faster for same power envelope
(we'll have to see how efficient on the power side they are whether they need more juice or less)
[/quote]
[quote name='Xavier Zepherios' date='11 July 2011 - 02:28 PM' timestamp='1310416081' post='1263033']

AMD is having problems hence their wait - they were suppose to be out 2Q in april

we are in 3Q and may have to wait for 4Q for AMD



they are using completely new architecture ..so they will have plenty of issue including drivers problems..and more so in the beginning





kepler will be full double precision

if you made kepler with as many cores as fermi it be twice as fast as the fermi's

(to do double precision it took twice as much work to do calculation with SP...hence fermis are slower)



but we have going for 768 cores - so it will be approx 3x faster for same power envelope

(we'll have to see how efficient on the power side they are whether they need more juice or less)



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#5
Posted 07/11/2011 08:28 PM   
I'm glad I bought these GTX 580's when I did [img]http://forums.nvidia.com/public/style_emoticons/default/yes.gif[/img] Now lets have more Games [img]http://forums.nvidia.com/public/style_emoticons/default/clap.gif[/img] Yeah!
Looks like Xavier wanted everybody to read his post twice [img]http://forums.nvidia.com/public/style_emoticons/default/haha.gif[/img]
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#6
Posted 07/11/2011 08:48 PM   
[quote name='Xavier Zepherios' date='11 July 2011 - 10:28 PM' timestamp='1310416081' post='1263033']
kepler will be full double precision
if you made kepler with as many cores as fermi it be twice as fast as the fermi's
(to do double precision it took twice as much work to do calculation with SP...hence fermis are slower)

but we have going for 768 cores - so it will be approx 3x faster for same power envelope
[/quote]
Keep dreaming. They said Fermi would be 4x faster than G200. Well it is... 4x faster casewarmer LOL!
[quote name='Xavier Zepherios' date='11 July 2011 - 10:28 PM' timestamp='1310416081' post='1263033']

kepler will be full double precision

if you made kepler with as many cores as fermi it be twice as fast as the fermi's

(to do double precision it took twice as much work to do calculation with SP...hence fermis are slower)



but we have going for 768 cores - so it will be approx 3x faster for same power envelope



Keep dreaming. They said Fermi would be 4x faster than G200. Well it is... 4x faster casewarmer LOL!

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#7
Posted 07/11/2011 08:51 PM   
Fermi's antialiasing performance is 4x faster than GT200. I firmly believe that. My GTX 470s handle AA so much better than my old GTX 260 it's awe-striking. That counts for something.
Fermi's antialiasing performance is 4x faster than GT200. I firmly believe that. My GTX 470s handle AA so much better than my old GTX 260 it's awe-striking. That counts for something.

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#8
Posted 07/11/2011 11:32 PM   
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#9
Posted 07/12/2011 12:08 AM   
...and I still have my dilemma unsolved...

:P
...and I still have my dilemma unsolved...



:P

#10
Posted 07/12/2011 04:04 PM   
[quote name='Nordic Rune Project' date='11 July 2011 - 03:08 PM' timestamp='1310411303' post='1263000']
I admit I really don't know what to do...I've currently 2 options:

1) Cutting Edge Technology option: Buy a GTX 560 Ti (OC to 1 Ghz) for 200 bucks to substitute my actual Geforce 9600GT and keep it with my actual Phenom II x4 @ 2,8 Ghz while waiting for Sandy Bridge-E (probably dual SB-E in a next-gen EVGA Classified mobo) and 2 Kepler in SLI....(yeah, I REALLY want to build a beast :) ). Good to keep up with Skyrim at a decent resolution (1680x1050) and have fun with it while I wait.

2) Tested and Reliable Technology option: Buy my new rig in Oct of this year as I had planned, probably a Octo-Core Bulldozer + 2 of the best existing GTX 580 cards in SLI (I have doubts about the HD 7xxx beating the 580). Good to build now my new rig, play games and forget about it.

I guess it's about Bulldozer performance (if it's poor, I'd rather wait), and when Kepler would hit the market. I guess I'll wait until October and see what news there are before making my choice.

Games I want to play (all at 1920x1080/1200 as absolute minimum):

- Crysis (replay)
- Crysis 2 DX11
- BF3
- Skyrim
- Mass Effect 3
- Next GTA (probably)
- Metro 2033 @ next Metro.
- Some other good stuff for several years :)
[/quote]


[quote name='Nordic Rune Project' date='12 July 2011 - 12:04 PM' timestamp='1310486676' post='1263605']
...and I still have my dilemma unsolved...

:P
[/quote]

[i]For the money/time-frame; 2600k @ 4.5GHz + GTX 580 (3 Gig) will destroy all those in which you have listed, especially with the additional headroom over the referance. The only exception is of course BF3, as we don't know what the proxy of performance on the revamped "Frostbite" will accomplish. This will provide more than ample performance post Kepler(in terms of game market). The only two foreseeable engines that could decimate that configuration is of course Frostbite, and the updated Unreal Engine 3(2012 SDK). Even idTech 5(2010-11) is pale in comparison. CryEngine 3 has potential to cause upset, and require more power, but that is months down the road. For now, that should help solve your concerns. [/i]

-Hooks
[quote name='Nordic Rune Project' date='11 July 2011 - 03:08 PM' timestamp='1310411303' post='1263000']

I admit I really don't know what to do...I've currently 2 options:



1) Cutting Edge Technology option: Buy a GTX 560 Ti (OC to 1 Ghz) for 200 bucks to substitute my actual Geforce 9600GT and keep it with my actual Phenom II x4 @ 2,8 Ghz while waiting for Sandy Bridge-E (probably dual SB-E in a next-gen EVGA Classified mobo) and 2 Kepler in SLI....(yeah, I REALLY want to build a beast :) ). Good to keep up with Skyrim at a decent resolution (1680x1050) and have fun with it while I wait.



2) Tested and Reliable Technology option: Buy my new rig in Oct of this year as I had planned, probably a Octo-Core Bulldozer + 2 of the best existing GTX 580 cards in SLI (I have doubts about the HD 7xxx beating the 580). Good to build now my new rig, play games and forget about it.



I guess it's about Bulldozer performance (if it's poor, I'd rather wait), and when Kepler would hit the market. I guess I'll wait until October and see what news there are before making my choice.



Games I want to play (all at 1920x1080/1200 as absolute minimum):



- Crysis (replay)

- Crysis 2 DX11

- BF3

- Skyrim

- Mass Effect 3

- Next GTA (probably)

- Metro 2033 @ next Metro.

- Some other good stuff for several years :)







[quote name='Nordic Rune Project' date='12 July 2011 - 12:04 PM' timestamp='1310486676' post='1263605']

...and I still have my dilemma unsolved...



:P





For the money/time-frame; 2600k @ 4.5GHz + GTX 580 (3 Gig) will destroy all those in which you have listed, especially with the additional headroom over the referance. The only exception is of course BF3, as we don't know what the proxy of performance on the revamped "Frostbite" will accomplish. This will provide more than ample performance post Kepler(in terms of game market). The only two foreseeable engines that could decimate that configuration is of course Frostbite, and the updated Unreal Engine 3(2012 SDK). Even idTech 5(2010-11) is pale in comparison. CryEngine 3 has potential to cause upset, and require more power, but that is months down the road. For now, that should help solve your concerns.



-Hooks

QUOTE (The Professor @ Oct 31 2010, 04:59 AM)

*Jeremy Clarkson face*



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#11
Posted 07/12/2011 04:13 PM   
wait a few months and make decision then
by then we will know more on buldozer and about sandy-e
and we will maybe see AMD SI ..kepler a ways off yet (1q 2012)


the 2600k will make a good gaming rig overclocked to 4.5 ghz (with Hyperthread - 8 threads) - and a Z68 MB will give you 3-way SLI with NF200 chip
Im considering this and do the dual sandy in the following year when they come out (depends on Ivy's performance)

bulldozer numbers seem to be in-line with a 2600k performance - so it's up to you what you want and prefer

remember there is always x58,.. 980,990x and 995x chips too (better performance than both bulldozer and 2600k)






wait a few months and make decision then

by then we will know more on buldozer and about sandy-e

and we will maybe see AMD SI ..kepler a ways off yet (1q 2012)





the 2600k will make a good gaming rig overclocked to 4.5 ghz (with Hyperthread - 8 threads) - and a Z68 MB will give you 3-way SLI with NF200 chip

Im considering this and do the dual sandy in the following year when they come out (depends on Ivy's performance)



bulldozer numbers seem to be in-line with a 2600k performance - so it's up to you what you want and prefer



remember there is always x58,.. 980,990x and 995x chips too (better performance than both bulldozer and 2600k)














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#12
Posted 07/12/2011 04:30 PM   
[quote name='Xavier Zepherios' date='12 July 2011 - 05:30 PM' timestamp='1310488225' post='1263619']
remember there is always x58,.. 980,990x and 995x chips too (better performance than both bulldozer and 2600k)
[/quote]

AMD is releasing 995x? I though the Bulldozer chipset top of the line was the 990x...what differences are between both?

BTW, those are the aproximate specs for the rig I'm going to buy IF I decide to wait:

- [url=http://www.nordichardware.com/news/76-motherboards/43378-evga-preparing-spiritual-successor-to-sr-2-with-lga2011.html]EVGA Classified SR-3(?) MOBO (Dual Socket LGA2011)[/url].
- 16 (min)-(?) GB's RAM.
- Dual 6-core Sandy Bridge-E CPU (will probably beat the Bulldozers anyway...).
- Dual Nvidia Kepler in SLI.
- SSD RevoDrive 3 x2 240 Gbs.
- Thermaltake case, probably.
- Watercooling.
- Appropiate PSU (probably the one EVGA will probably release for the "SR-3") and UPS.

Hell of a beast, huh? :) Although for 1920x1080/1200 gaming, I wonder if it's a bit overkill...(well, I'll also use it for some video editing and game modding, apart from other things, so...).

BTW, another question...being Socket LGA2011 the one for both SB-E and Ivy Bridge, does that means that I won't have to change my mobo if I decide (in the future) to upgrade my CPU's to Ivy Bridge? (if EVGA releases updated BIOS to support them...I hope they will).
[quote name='Xavier Zepherios' date='12 July 2011 - 05:30 PM' timestamp='1310488225' post='1263619']

remember there is always x58,.. 980,990x and 995x chips too (better performance than both bulldozer and 2600k)





AMD is releasing 995x? I though the Bulldozer chipset top of the line was the 990x...what differences are between both?



BTW, those are the aproximate specs for the rig I'm going to buy IF I decide to wait:



- EVGA Classified SR-3(?) MOBO (Dual Socket LGA2011).

- 16 (min)-(?) GB's RAM.

- Dual 6-core Sandy Bridge-E CPU (will probably beat the Bulldozers anyway...).

- Dual Nvidia Kepler in SLI.

- SSD RevoDrive 3 x2 240 Gbs.

- Thermaltake case, probably.

- Watercooling.

- Appropiate PSU (probably the one EVGA will probably release for the "SR-3") and UPS.



Hell of a beast, huh? :) Although for 1920x1080/1200 gaming, I wonder if it's a bit overkill...(well, I'll also use it for some video editing and game modding, apart from other things, so...).



BTW, another question...being Socket LGA2011 the one for both SB-E and Ivy Bridge, does that means that I won't have to change my mobo if I decide (in the future) to upgrade my CPU's to Ivy Bridge? (if EVGA releases updated BIOS to support them...I hope they will).

#13
Posted 07/12/2011 08:10 PM   
I was refering to intel i7 980, 990x,995x on a X58 MB

Socket 2011 works for both sandy and Ivy (that's whats been posted)


and of course there is 8 core Sandy EP
[url="http://www.nordichardware.com/news/69-cpu-chipset/43628-sandy-bridge-ep-gets-8-cores-and-150w-tdp-at-30-ghz.html"]http://www.nordichardware.com/news/69-cpu-chipset/43628-sandy-bridge-ep-gets-8-cores-and-150w-tdp-at-30-ghz.html[/url]

I was refering to intel i7 980, 990x,995x on a X58 MB



Socket 2011 works for both sandy and Ivy (that's whats been posted)





and of course there is 8 core Sandy EP

http://www.nordichardware.com/news/69-cpu-chipset/43628-sandy-bridge-ep-gets-8-cores-and-150w-tdp-at-30-ghz.html




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#14
Posted 07/12/2011 08:18 PM   
[quote name='Xavier Zepherios' date='12 July 2011 - 09:18 PM' timestamp='1310501916' post='1263763']
I was refering to intel i7 980, 990x,995x on a X58 MB

Socket 2011 works for both sandy and Ivy (that's whats been posted)


and of course there is 8 core Sandy EP
[url="http://www.nordichardware.com/news/69-cpu-chipset/43628-sandy-bridge-ep-gets-8-cores-and-150w-tdp-at-30-ghz.html"]http://www.nordichardware.com/news/69-cpu-chipset/43628-sandy-bridge-ep-gets-8-cores-and-150w-tdp-at-30-ghz.html[/url]
[/quote]

Tempting, but I prefer not to see the price of them :)

Anyways, if I build that rig, I'll already have enough horsepower. I'd rather prefer to spend the money on a 30' monitor with 2536x1600 or so rather than on server-oriented CPUs.
[quote name='Xavier Zepherios' date='12 July 2011 - 09:18 PM' timestamp='1310501916' post='1263763']

I was refering to intel i7 980, 990x,995x on a X58 MB



Socket 2011 works for both sandy and Ivy (that's whats been posted)





and of course there is 8 core Sandy EP

http://www.nordichardware.com/news/69-cpu-chipset/43628-sandy-bridge-ep-gets-8-cores-and-150w-tdp-at-30-ghz.html





Tempting, but I prefer not to see the price of them :)



Anyways, if I build that rig, I'll already have enough horsepower. I'd rather prefer to spend the money on a 30' monitor with 2536x1600 or so rather than on server-oriented CPUs.

#15
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