Alienware R3 3D laptop 460m to 485m no 3D
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Hi guys I hope someone here can help with this problem I am experiencing

I have an Alienware R3 3D Laptop with 460m graphics card installed everything works fine at this point

I purchased a 485m GPU and installed it on the system, everything works 2D except I cannot get the 3D to work, I used the native OEM drivers and also installed the latest 270## drivers from Nvidia but still no 3D

The system has a native 120hz LCD panel plus the emitter and hardware on board no requirement for external emitters etc

I used the scan config/install application but it gives an error "LCD panel not supported" I have tried everything to get this to work, when I install the 460m everything is ok again, what is going on, what am I doing wrong, why will the 3D not work with the 485m GPU yet the 460m is fine

any help would be much appriciated as I have spent a lot of money on this system and the 485m GPU

regards
Hi guys I hope someone here can help with this problem I am experiencing



I have an Alienware R3 3D Laptop with 460m graphics card installed everything works fine at this point



I purchased a 485m GPU and installed it on the system, everything works 2D except I cannot get the 3D to work, I used the native OEM drivers and also installed the latest 270## drivers from Nvidia but still no 3D



The system has a native 120hz LCD panel plus the emitter and hardware on board no requirement for external emitters etc



I used the scan config/install application but it gives an error "LCD panel not supported" I have tried everything to get this to work, when I install the 460m everything is ok again, what is going on, what am I doing wrong, why will the 3D not work with the 485m GPU yet the 460m is fine



any help would be much appriciated as I have spent a lot of money on this system and the 485m GPU



regards

#1
Posted 04/03/2011 02:39 PM   
[quote name='Geoffxx' date='03 April 2011 - 09:39 AM' timestamp='1301841592' post='1218566']
Hi guys I hope someone here can help with this problem I am experiencing

I have an Alienware R3 3D Laptop with 460m graphics card installed everything works fine at this point

I purchased a 485m GPU and installed it on the system, everything works 2D except I cannot get the 3D to work, I used the native OEM drivers and also installed the latest 270## drivers from Nvidia but still no 3D

The system has a native 120hz LCD panel plus the emitter and hardware on board no requirement for external emitters etc

I used the scan config/install application but it gives an error "LCD panel not supported" I have tried everything to get this to work, when I install the 460m everything is ok again, what is going on, what am I doing wrong, why will the 3D not work with the 485m GPU yet the 460m is fine

any help would be much appriciated as I have spent a lot of money on this system and the 485m GPU

regards
[/quote]

You hacked in a new GPU inside a laptop???
[quote name='Geoffxx' date='03 April 2011 - 09:39 AM' timestamp='1301841592' post='1218566']

Hi guys I hope someone here can help with this problem I am experiencing



I have an Alienware R3 3D Laptop with 460m graphics card installed everything works fine at this point



I purchased a 485m GPU and installed it on the system, everything works 2D except I cannot get the 3D to work, I used the native OEM drivers and also installed the latest 270## drivers from Nvidia but still no 3D



The system has a native 120hz LCD panel plus the emitter and hardware on board no requirement for external emitters etc



I used the scan config/install application but it gives an error "LCD panel not supported" I have tried everything to get this to work, when I install the 460m everything is ok again, what is going on, what am I doing wrong, why will the 3D not work with the 485m GPU yet the 460m is fine



any help would be much appriciated as I have spent a lot of money on this system and the 485m GPU



regards





You hacked in a new GPU inside a laptop???

#2
Posted 04/03/2011 08:22 PM   
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='03 April 2011 - 08:22 PM' timestamp='1301862147' post='1218706']
You hacked in a new GPU inside a laptop???
[/quote]


I would hardly call it hacked, I bought a Nvidia 485m to replace my Nvidia 460m GPU, the system bios obviously supports the card as it works fine in 2D, when I run the 3D wizard it says the LCD "panel not supported" I haven't tried with an external 3D TV or monitor, I thought both these cards where 3D enabled, can you shed any light on what the problem is, the 120hz lcd panel works fine with the 460m, do I need an updated driver from Dell for this to work, or should the Nvidia driver work if the LCD panel support was added.

thanks in advance


Just been tested with an external display and the 3D works, so this issue is specific to the internal 120hz lcd panel, is there an easy solution to this ? perhaps somewhere it can be added in an inf file or similar ?
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='03 April 2011 - 08:22 PM' timestamp='1301862147' post='1218706']

You hacked in a new GPU inside a laptop???







I would hardly call it hacked, I bought a Nvidia 485m to replace my Nvidia 460m GPU, the system bios obviously supports the card as it works fine in 2D, when I run the 3D wizard it says the LCD "panel not supported" I haven't tried with an external 3D TV or monitor, I thought both these cards where 3D enabled, can you shed any light on what the problem is, the 120hz lcd panel works fine with the 460m, do I need an updated driver from Dell for this to work, or should the Nvidia driver work if the LCD panel support was added.



thanks in advance





Just been tested with an external display and the 3D works, so this issue is specific to the internal 120hz lcd panel, is there an easy solution to this ? perhaps somewhere it can be added in an inf file or similar ?

#3
Posted 04/04/2011 02:03 AM   
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='03 April 2011 - 04:22 PM' timestamp='1301862147' post='1218706']
You hacked in a new GPU inside a laptop???
[/quote]

http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m17x/559706-m17x-r3-485m-gpu-27.html#post7319270
It'd save a bunch of people a lot of unnecessary work if Nvidia would add the LCD panel (of the Alienware M17x-r3, 1080p 120Hz - same one that you have working with GTX 460M) device ID to the next S3D
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='03 April 2011 - 04:22 PM' timestamp='1301862147' post='1218706']

You hacked in a new GPU inside a laptop???





http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m17x/559706-m17x-r3-485m-gpu-27.html#post7319270

It'd save a bunch of people a lot of unnecessary work if Nvidia would add the LCD panel (of the Alienware M17x-r3, 1080p 120Hz - same one that you have working with GTX 460M) device ID to the next S3D

#4
Posted 04/04/2011 04:41 AM   
[quote name='kunekaden' date='04 April 2011 - 04:41 AM' timestamp='1301892087' post='1218849']
http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m17x/559706-m17x-r3-485m-gpu-27.html#post7319270
It'd save a bunch of people a lot of unnecessary work if Nvidia would add the LCD panel (of the Alienware M17x-r3, 1080p 120Hz - same one that you have working with GTX 460M) device ID to the next S3D
[/quote]


that would certaintly be helpfull, doesn't sound like a huge task


May I also add that I am currently in possession of about $5,000 worth of Nvidia product in various laptops and desktops, I would appriciate some help.
[quote name='kunekaden' date='04 April 2011 - 04:41 AM' timestamp='1301892087' post='1218849']

http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m17x/559706-m17x-r3-485m-gpu-27.html#post7319270

It'd save a bunch of people a lot of unnecessary work if Nvidia would add the LCD panel (of the Alienware M17x-r3, 1080p 120Hz - same one that you have working with GTX 460M) device ID to the next S3D







that would certaintly be helpfull, doesn't sound like a huge task





May I also add that I am currently in possession of about $5,000 worth of Nvidia product in various laptops and desktops, I would appriciate some help.

#5
Posted 04/04/2011 07:13 AM   
[quote name='Geoffxx' date='03 April 2011 - 09:03 PM' timestamp='1301882584' post='1218811']
I would hardly call it hacked, I bought a Nvidia 485m to replace my Nvidia 460m GPU, the system bios obviously supports the card as it works fine in 2D, when I run the 3D wizard it says the LCD "panel not supported" I haven't tried with an external 3D TV or monitor, I thought both these cards where 3D enabled, can you shed any light on what the problem is, the 120hz lcd panel works fine with the 460m, do I need an updated driver from Dell for this to work, or should the Nvidia driver work if the LCD panel support was added.

thanks in advance


Just been tested with an external display and the 3D works, so this issue is specific to the internal 120hz lcd panel, is there an easy solution to this ? perhaps somewhere it can be added in an inf file or similar ?
[/quote]

Hi

I will investigate but we engineer 3D to work with the exact HW the OEM has selected. I know its possible that you can add in a new GPU, but all of work to make it work with 460m likely doesnt work.
[quote name='Geoffxx' date='03 April 2011 - 09:03 PM' timestamp='1301882584' post='1218811']

I would hardly call it hacked, I bought a Nvidia 485m to replace my Nvidia 460m GPU, the system bios obviously supports the card as it works fine in 2D, when I run the 3D wizard it says the LCD "panel not supported" I haven't tried with an external 3D TV or monitor, I thought both these cards where 3D enabled, can you shed any light on what the problem is, the 120hz lcd panel works fine with the 460m, do I need an updated driver from Dell for this to work, or should the Nvidia driver work if the LCD panel support was added.



thanks in advance





Just been tested with an external display and the 3D works, so this issue is specific to the internal 120hz lcd panel, is there an easy solution to this ? perhaps somewhere it can be added in an inf file or similar ?





Hi



I will investigate but we engineer 3D to work with the exact HW the OEM has selected. I know its possible that you can add in a new GPU, but all of work to make it work with 460m likely doesnt work.

#6
Posted 04/04/2011 08:31 PM   
[quote name='Geoffxx' date='03 April 2011 - 10:39 AM' timestamp='1301841592' post='1218566']
Hi guys I hope someone here can help with this problem I am experiencing

I have an Alienware R3 3D Laptop with 460m graphics card installed everything works fine at this point

I purchased a 485m GPU and installed it on the system, everything works 2D except I cannot get the 3D to work, I used the native OEM drivers and also installed the latest 270## drivers from Nvidia but still no 3D

The system has a native 120hz LCD panel plus the emitter and hardware on board no requirement for external emitters etc

I used the scan config/install application but it gives an error "LCD panel not supported" I have tried everything to get this to work, when I install the 460m everything is ok again, what is going on, what am I doing wrong, why will the 3D not work with the 485m GPU yet the 460m is fine

any help would be much appriciated as I have spent a lot of money on this system and the 485m GPU

regards
[/quote]

I am also interested in adding the 485M to my M17XR3 I do not know why dell/Alienware did not do this in the first place. put in the higher end card would have save a lot of people who have the 460M and trying to up-grade to the 485M and 3D.
[quote name='Geoffxx' date='03 April 2011 - 10:39 AM' timestamp='1301841592' post='1218566']

Hi guys I hope someone here can help with this problem I am experiencing



I have an Alienware R3 3D Laptop with 460m graphics card installed everything works fine at this point



I purchased a 485m GPU and installed it on the system, everything works 2D except I cannot get the 3D to work, I used the native OEM drivers and also installed the latest 270## drivers from Nvidia but still no 3D



The system has a native 120hz LCD panel plus the emitter and hardware on board no requirement for external emitters etc



I used the scan config/install application but it gives an error "LCD panel not supported" I have tried everything to get this to work, when I install the 460m everything is ok again, what is going on, what am I doing wrong, why will the 3D not work with the 485m GPU yet the 460m is fine



any help would be much appriciated as I have spent a lot of money on this system and the 485m GPU



regards





I am also interested in adding the 485M to my M17XR3 I do not know why dell/Alienware did not do this in the first place. put in the higher end card would have save a lot of people who have the 460M and trying to up-grade to the 485M and 3D.

#7
Posted 04/04/2011 08:55 PM   
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='04 April 2011 - 04:31 PM' timestamp='1301949076' post='1219241']
Hi

I will investigate but we engineer 3D to work with the exact HW the OEM has selected. I know its possible that you can add in a new GPU, but all of work to make it work with 460m likely doesnt work.
[/quote]
Why not with the higher end card's Like the 485M Dell/Alienware should have known we the gamer would want the higher end cards and 3D
Is there a reason for not using the 485M with 3D.? Will the card be supported/added in the near future?
There are many of us wanting to know.
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='04 April 2011 - 04:31 PM' timestamp='1301949076' post='1219241']

Hi



I will investigate but we engineer 3D to work with the exact HW the OEM has selected. I know its possible that you can add in a new GPU, but all of work to make it work with 460m likely doesnt work.



Why not with the higher end card's Like the 485M Dell/Alienware should have known we the gamer would want the higher end cards and 3D

Is there a reason for not using the 485M with 3D.? Will the card be supported/added in the near future?

There are many of us wanting to know.

#8
Posted 04/04/2011 09:01 PM   
[quote name='ammo7' date='04 April 2011 - 09:01 PM' timestamp='1301950910' post='1219256']
Why not with the higher end card's Like the 485M Dell/Alienware should have known we the gamer would want the higher end cards and 3D
Is there a reason for not using the 485M with 3D.? Will the card be supported/added in the near future?
There are many of us wanting to know.

[/quote]


guys this is not the correct place to debate whether any particular company did or didn't adopt a particular GPU, lets give nvidia a chance to resolve this situation, I don't regard my laptop any different from a desktop and would like to feel I can install whatever hardware I like (within reason) and expect it to work, the 460m and 485m are both Nvidia media and are both 3D capable and both use the same drivers, I'd expect them both to work in the same installation if I choose to purchase either provided the GPU is supported by the OEM BIOS which in this instance it is.

Nvidia, can you even explain why the 485m is not giving 3D in this instance, why are you putting so many checks in place, just open the thing up - if someone connects a none 3D display they will find out soon enough it doesn't work, barriers to this new/old technology is not what is needed right now.


So how do I get my internal 3D LCD 120hz panel working with this flagship Nvidia 485m GTX laptop GPU that I paid almost $1000 for ?

and if you (on this message board) cannot answer this question or choose not too please escalate to someone that can.

thx
[quote name='ammo7' date='04 April 2011 - 09:01 PM' timestamp='1301950910' post='1219256']

Why not with the higher end card's Like the 485M Dell/Alienware should have known we the gamer would want the higher end cards and 3D

Is there a reason for not using the 485M with 3D.? Will the card be supported/added in the near future?

There are many of us wanting to know.









guys this is not the correct place to debate whether any particular company did or didn't adopt a particular GPU, lets give nvidia a chance to resolve this situation, I don't regard my laptop any different from a desktop and would like to feel I can install whatever hardware I like (within reason) and expect it to work, the 460m and 485m are both Nvidia media and are both 3D capable and both use the same drivers, I'd expect them both to work in the same installation if I choose to purchase either provided the GPU is supported by the OEM BIOS which in this instance it is.



Nvidia, can you even explain why the 485m is not giving 3D in this instance, why are you putting so many checks in place, just open the thing up - if someone connects a none 3D display they will find out soon enough it doesn't work, barriers to this new/old technology is not what is needed right now.





So how do I get my internal 3D LCD 120hz panel working with this flagship Nvidia 485m GTX laptop GPU that I paid almost $1000 for ?



and if you (on this message board) cannot answer this question or choose not too please escalate to someone that can.



thx

#9
Posted 04/04/2011 11:39 PM   
[quote name='Geoffxx' date='04 April 2011 - 03:39 PM' timestamp='1301960388' post='1219333']
guys this is not the correct place to debate whether any particular company did or didn't adopt a particular GPU, lets give nvidia a chance to resolve this situation, I don't regard my laptop any different from a desktop and would like to feel I can install whatever hardware I like (within reason) and expect it to work, the 460m and 485m are both Nvidia media and are both 3D capable and both use the same drivers, I'd expect them both to work in the same installation if I choose to purchase either provided the GPU is supported by the OEM BIOS which in this instance it is.

Nvidia, can you even explain why the 485m is not giving 3D in this instance, why are you putting so many checks in place, just open the thing up - if someone connects a none 3D display they will find out soon enough it doesn't work, barriers to this new/old technology is not what is needed right now.


So how do I get my internal 3D LCD 120hz panel working with this flagship Nvidia 485m GTX laptop GPU that I paid almost $1000 for ?

and if you (on this message board) cannot answer this question or choose not too please escalate to someone that can.

thx
[/quote]

Same boat here. Ordered an "unsupported" 485M that works GREAT in the M17x R3 just no S3D support. If NVIDIA released an "unsupported" S3D driver that allowed usage with "unsupported" products that would be GREAT! Since it may be unsupported but it WOULD WORK!

Thanks.
[quote name='Geoffxx' date='04 April 2011 - 03:39 PM' timestamp='1301960388' post='1219333']

guys this is not the correct place to debate whether any particular company did or didn't adopt a particular GPU, lets give nvidia a chance to resolve this situation, I don't regard my laptop any different from a desktop and would like to feel I can install whatever hardware I like (within reason) and expect it to work, the 460m and 485m are both Nvidia media and are both 3D capable and both use the same drivers, I'd expect them both to work in the same installation if I choose to purchase either provided the GPU is supported by the OEM BIOS which in this instance it is.



Nvidia, can you even explain why the 485m is not giving 3D in this instance, why are you putting so many checks in place, just open the thing up - if someone connects a none 3D display they will find out soon enough it doesn't work, barriers to this new/old technology is not what is needed right now.





So how do I get my internal 3D LCD 120hz panel working with this flagship Nvidia 485m GTX laptop GPU that I paid almost $1000 for ?



and if you (on this message board) cannot answer this question or choose not too please escalate to someone that can.



thx





Same boat here. Ordered an "unsupported" 485M that works GREAT in the M17x R3 just no S3D support. If NVIDIA released an "unsupported" S3D driver that allowed usage with "unsupported" products that would be GREAT! Since it may be unsupported but it WOULD WORK!



Thanks.

#10
Posted 04/05/2011 05:29 AM   
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='04 April 2011 - 12:31 PM' timestamp='1301949076' post='1219241']
Hi

I will investigate but we engineer 3D to work with the exact HW the OEM has selected. I know its possible that you can add in a new GPU, but all of work to make it work with 460m likely doesnt work.
[/quote]

It honestly shouldn't be that hard. Take the OEM out of the equation. At this point The S3D driver / NVIDIA GPU driver is not whitelisting the 485M or the built-in monitor on this laptop as a 120hz / NVIDIA 3D Vision capable mix, when in reality it is. If we could even get a custom driver for this, that would be great!
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='04 April 2011 - 12:31 PM' timestamp='1301949076' post='1219241']

Hi



I will investigate but we engineer 3D to work with the exact HW the OEM has selected. I know its possible that you can add in a new GPU, but all of work to make it work with 460m likely doesnt work.





It honestly shouldn't be that hard. Take the OEM out of the equation. At this point The S3D driver / NVIDIA GPU driver is not whitelisting the 485M or the built-in monitor on this laptop as a 120hz / NVIDIA 3D Vision capable mix, when in reality it is. If we could even get a custom driver for this, that would be great!

#11
Posted 04/05/2011 05:35 AM   
additional info from this blog

note the Nvidia managers reply to the developer

quote -

..............................................
Hi Brad

I am the product manager for 3DTV Play at NVIDIA.

Rather than have you need to do this EDID override tool, you can contact me and send me your EDID and I will ensure we properly recognize your EDID. I put in my email address on the blog posting comments, so please send me an email.

Thanks.

..................................................

can be seen here http://blog.bagearon.com/?p=38
additional info from this blog



note the Nvidia managers reply to the developer



quote -



..............................................

Hi Brad



I am the product manager for 3DTV Play at NVIDIA.



Rather than have you need to do this EDID override tool, you can contact me and send me your EDID and I will ensure we properly recognize your EDID. I put in my email address on the blog posting comments, so please send me an email.



Thanks.



..................................................



can be seen here http://blog.bagearon.com/?p=38

#12
Posted 04/05/2011 05:47 AM   
Nvidia, There are a lot of us in the same boat. many of us own Laptops that we purchased from manufactures that did not offer the 485m as a choice so we simply bought it separate to run in our systems. We all support Nvidia and were willing to pay the extra cash to support you guys while keeping reliable, powerful GPUs in our systems. there are many of us that would appreciate your returned support in this situation.
Nvidia, There are a lot of us in the same boat. many of us own Laptops that we purchased from manufactures that did not offer the 485m as a choice so we simply bought it separate to run in our systems. We all support Nvidia and were willing to pay the extra cash to support you guys while keeping reliable, powerful GPUs in our systems. there are many of us that would appreciate your returned support in this situation.

#13
Posted 04/05/2011 05:50 AM   
[quote name='LVNeptune' date='05 April 2011 - 05:35 AM' timestamp='1301981725' post='1219445']
It honestly shouldn't be that hard. Take the OEM out of the equation. At this point The S3D driver / NVIDIA GPU driver is not whitelisting the 485M or the built-in monitor on this laptop as a 120hz / NVIDIA 3D Vision capable mix, when in reality it is. If we could even get a custom driver for this, that would be great!
[/quote]


I'm a bit pissed at Nvidia right now, I have been a loyal fan for years and have spent huge amounts of money on Nvidia product and always advised others to do likewise, right now that loyalty is coming under question

If anyone knows the identity of the Nvidia 3DTV manager mentioned in the post above it might be time to draw his attention to this thread for some answers

Regards
Loyal Nvidia Customer - under strain
[quote name='LVNeptune' date='05 April 2011 - 05:35 AM' timestamp='1301981725' post='1219445']

It honestly shouldn't be that hard. Take the OEM out of the equation. At this point The S3D driver / NVIDIA GPU driver is not whitelisting the 485M or the built-in monitor on this laptop as a 120hz / NVIDIA 3D Vision capable mix, when in reality it is. If we could even get a custom driver for this, that would be great!







I'm a bit pissed at Nvidia right now, I have been a loyal fan for years and have spent huge amounts of money on Nvidia product and always advised others to do likewise, right now that loyalty is coming under question



If anyone knows the identity of the Nvidia 3DTV manager mentioned in the post above it might be time to draw his attention to this thread for some answers



Regards

Loyal Nvidia Customer - under strain

#14
Posted 04/05/2011 05:52 AM   
[quote name='Geoffxx' date='04 April 2011 - 09:47 PM' timestamp='1301982462' post='1219450']
additional info from this blog

note the Nvidia managers reply to the developer

quote -

..............................................
Hi Brad

I am the product manager for 3DTV Play at NVIDIA.

Rather than have you need to do this EDID override tool, you can contact me and send me your EDID and I will ensure we properly recognize your EDID. I put in my email address on the blog posting comments, so please send me an email.

Thanks.

..................................................

can be seen here http://blog.bagearon.com/?p=38
[/quote]

Geo - That's the same Andrew that just posted in here from NVIDIA :)

Since he was eager to help on that forum I am hoping he would be just as easy to support all of us over @ NBR

Also, Andrew, if you would like to catch up read the ~60 page thread http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m17x/559706-m17x-r3-485m-gpu.html

I am the first of many to purchase this card and have tons on board. With NVIDIA's help we can make ALL of our laptops the *BEST* laptop...

No, make it the BEST 3D LAPTOP! Available today.

Dell has already all but said flat out they will be releasing the 485M with the laptop, so I would assume they are working with you directly. All the Dell reps say the 485M is supported and will work but obviously that is not 100% the case since we have all tested it and it in face does not work.

Please help us.
[quote name='Geoffxx' date='04 April 2011 - 09:47 PM' timestamp='1301982462' post='1219450']

additional info from this blog



note the Nvidia managers reply to the developer



quote -



..............................................

Hi Brad



I am the product manager for 3DTV Play at NVIDIA.



Rather than have you need to do this EDID override tool, you can contact me and send me your EDID and I will ensure we properly recognize your EDID. I put in my email address on the blog posting comments, so please send me an email.



Thanks.



..................................................



can be seen here http://blog.bagearon.com/?p=38





Geo - That's the same Andrew that just posted in here from NVIDIA :)



Since he was eager to help on that forum I am hoping he would be just as easy to support all of us over @ NBR



Also, Andrew, if you would like to catch up read the ~60 page thread http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m17x/559706-m17x-r3-485m-gpu.html



I am the first of many to purchase this card and have tons on board. With NVIDIA's help we can make ALL of our laptops the *BEST* laptop...



No, make it the BEST 3D LAPTOP! Available today.



Dell has already all but said flat out they will be releasing the 485M with the laptop, so I would assume they are working with you directly. All the Dell reps say the 485M is supported and will work but obviously that is not 100% the case since we have all tested it and it in face does not work.



Please help us.

#15
Posted 04/05/2011 05:53 AM   
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