Planar Stereomirror DIY setup. Make your own for $x,xxx less
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I found an excellent source for the mirror needed to do this:

[url="http://www.planar.com/products/flatpanel_monitors/stereoscopic/SD1710.cfm"]http://www.planar.com/products/flatpanel_m...opic/SD1710.cfm[/url]

They want $4,000 for that setup, whereas the monitors used to make it are about $120 apiece in good used condition on eBay. If you are already using an LCD monitor, get a second identical unit, so you already are halfway there as you read this ;).

[url="http://www.telepromptermirrors.com/"]http://www.telepromptermirrors.com/[/url] has a service that provides the half-silvered mirrors (they pass half the light through them, and reflect half the light off of them) for a good price.

I bought a 15" by 15" piece on eBay for $82 after shipping (ouch).

When I recieved the mirror I did some measurements and discovered I could probably get by with a 15"x10" and they are $40 on the custom calculator, of course that is before shipping, but they ship USPS under 15x15 anyway, so it should be inexpensive, about $10.

EDIT:[quote name='Habeed' date='May 21 2007, 07:44 AM']FOUND IT!  I called around locally.  Damnit, I just wasted $130 on that crappy acrylic mirror!  I was such an idiot! 

I called a local glass and mirror shop, and for $16 a square foot they sell GLASS half silvered mirrors. Sure, sure, it probably isn't the grade of "optical" : but glass should not be sensitive to polarization like plastic is.  It should also be much stiffer, as well as scratch resistant. 

So for a HUGE mirror (22"x24") the bill was about $70.  (I wanted to be able to handle up to a 26" or 30" display)
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Just in case anyone reads this again, I think now that real glass locally might be a better option.

So be warned, use their custom sizes for your project, it is much less expensive.

To do a quick mock-up use a piece of cardboard or paper of the size you want to order, hold it where the mirror is in the Planar setup as you sit in your normal viewing position in front of your monitor, try to get a 45° angle or so out of the paper/cardboard. Then check if you can still see the screen, if the answer is no, then it is a good size to use, get a couple extra inches to be safe. The mirror will allow you to see the LCD display like normal, with the reflection of the second LCD overlayed on top of it.

I use a Planar PE171 that I got on ebay for $45 plus shipping ($15), so I am doing well so far, now I need the second monitor to arrive.

All you need is the above mentioned 2 LCD displays, be creative, 15" is fine on a budget (you can get them from people upgrading a Dell/Gateway/Emachines/HP bundled LCD display) 19" Widescreen, even 24", 30" or 50" should be possible, start with a smaller/cheaper "proof of concept" edition and then move up to the big leagues, remember that you will need a video card capable of driving the panels in native resolution for the games you want to play at an acceptable frame-rate (unless your monitor will show 1:1 with a black border on lower than native resolutions). With dual 1280x1024 17" panels that makes 2560x1024 pixels per frame, or 1280x2048, depending on how you look at it.

Basically any size LCD screen will work, as long as it is 45° polarized, get some cheap glasses from here: [url="http://www.berezin.com/3d/3dglasses.htm#Polarized"]http://www.berezin.com/3d/3dglasses.htm#Polarized[/url] ($2 for 3, $6 for 10) and see if yours is, one eye will be dark as you look at the LCD, the other eye will remain clear.

As you put the LCD's in the Planar arrangement shown above with a mirror (even plain glass could be used, ask a glass store for a scrap, it just will not be as reflective), the LCD that reflects off of the glass switches polarization by 90° and will be visible in one lens, while the other will not see it.

So there you have it, do some scrounging and some shopping and enjoy true flicker-free, always on 3D that you can share with a friend (remember the 3-pack of glasses?).

Hopefully I can get some pictures if/when I ever get this digital camera wrangled into shape (I bought a Fujifilm A330 that needs a firmware upgrade to use the M or H xD cards. I bought a 512MB xD H card and now I need a standard card to flash the firmware upgrade into it. I looked all over town and "regular" xD cards don't exist anymore in the retail stores, so I ordered a 16MB off of ebay for $4 :), if that ever makes it I should be doing good.)

On a side note polarized glasses work great and are not uncomfortable in any way, they also do not have batteries, IR sensors or cords. The contrast is very deep, much deeper than shutter glasses, and they are clearer than sutter glasses are when off. Obviously you need a second monitor and some special glass, but those are so cheap in price that it isn't worth arguing over considering what you get in comparison.
I found an excellent source for the mirror needed to do this:



http://www.planar.com/products/flatpanel_m...opic/SD1710.cfm



They want $4,000 for that setup, whereas the monitors used to make it are about $120 apiece in good used condition on eBay. If you are already using an LCD monitor, get a second identical unit, so you already are halfway there as you read this ;).



http://www.telepromptermirrors.com/ has a service that provides the half-silvered mirrors (they pass half the light through them, and reflect half the light off of them) for a good price.



I bought a 15" by 15" piece on eBay for $82 after shipping (ouch).



When I recieved the mirror I did some measurements and discovered I could probably get by with a 15"x10" and they are $40 on the custom calculator, of course that is before shipping, but they ship USPS under 15x15 anyway, so it should be inexpensive, about $10.



EDIT:[quote name='Habeed' date='May 21 2007, 07:44 AM']FOUND IT!  I called around locally.  Damnit, I just wasted $130 on that crappy acrylic mirror!  I was such an idiot! 



I called a local glass and mirror shop, and for $16 a square foot they sell GLASS half silvered mirrors. Sure, sure, it probably isn't the grade of "optical" : but glass should not be sensitive to polarization like plastic is.  It should also be much stiffer, as well as scratch resistant. 



So for a HUGE mirror (22"x24") the bill was about $70.  (I wanted to be able to handle up to a 26" or 30" display)

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Just in case anyone reads this again, I think now that real glass locally might be a better option.



So be warned, use their custom sizes for your project, it is much less expensive.



To do a quick mock-up use a piece of cardboard or paper of the size you want to order, hold it where the mirror is in the Planar setup as you sit in your normal viewing position in front of your monitor, try to get a 45° angle or so out of the paper/cardboard. Then check if you can still see the screen, if the answer is no, then it is a good size to use, get a couple extra inches to be safe. The mirror will allow you to see the LCD display like normal, with the reflection of the second LCD overlayed on top of it.



I use a Planar PE171 that I got on ebay for $45 plus shipping ($15), so I am doing well so far, now I need the second monitor to arrive.



All you need is the above mentioned 2 LCD displays, be creative, 15" is fine on a budget (you can get them from people upgrading a Dell/Gateway/Emachines/HP bundled LCD display) 19" Widescreen, even 24", 30" or 50" should be possible, start with a smaller/cheaper "proof of concept" edition and then move up to the big leagues, remember that you will need a video card capable of driving the panels in native resolution for the games you want to play at an acceptable frame-rate (unless your monitor will show 1:1 with a black border on lower than native resolutions). With dual 1280x1024 17" panels that makes 2560x1024 pixels per frame, or 1280x2048, depending on how you look at it.



Basically any size LCD screen will work, as long as it is 45° polarized, get some cheap glasses from here: http://www.berezin.com/3d/3dglasses.htm#Polarized ($2 for 3, $6 for 10) and see if yours is, one eye will be dark as you look at the LCD, the other eye will remain clear.



As you put the LCD's in the Planar arrangement shown above with a mirror (even plain glass could be used, ask a glass store for a scrap, it just will not be as reflective), the LCD that reflects off of the glass switches polarization by 90° and will be visible in one lens, while the other will not see it.



So there you have it, do some scrounging and some shopping and enjoy true flicker-free, always on 3D that you can share with a friend (remember the 3-pack of glasses?).



Hopefully I can get some pictures if/when I ever get this digital camera wrangled into shape (I bought a Fujifilm A330 that needs a firmware upgrade to use the M or H xD cards. I bought a 512MB xD H card and now I need a standard card to flash the firmware upgrade into it. I looked all over town and "regular" xD cards don't exist anymore in the retail stores, so I ordered a 16MB off of ebay for $4 :), if that ever makes it I should be doing good.)



On a side note polarized glasses work great and are not uncomfortable in any way, they also do not have batteries, IR sensors or cords. The contrast is very deep, much deeper than shutter glasses, and they are clearer than sutter glasses are when off. Obviously you need a second monitor and some special glass, but those are so cheap in price that it isn't worth arguing over considering what you get in comparison.

#1
Posted 04/06/2007 07:43 PM   
I forgot to add, there is a guy in the UK who has done this with stellar results, albeit with a 30/70 reflective/transmissive glass :D..

[url="http://www.aldous.net/photo/project08.htm"]http://www.aldous.net/photo/project08.htm[/url]

As you can see the result is the same with a bracket or a box, he chose to go with a box, I am going to try the bracket method first.

The key to the whole thing is the polarization, it is a really fun technology. Why couldn't science class be fun like this in grade school? And it still isn't all the way through college, they don't tell you when you are in Geometry class that it can be used for all sorts of cool stuff like this /blarg.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':/' /> , they just tell you to memorize triangle rules.

I wonder who has the patent on the stereomirror technology? It should be available to the masses as an add-on bracket/extra Monitor, to allay the fears of high expense, I mean you already own about a third of the whole setup if you have an LCD.

I guess it all boils down to 3D stereo not being "mainstream" enough. /thumbsdown.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsdown:' />
I forgot to add, there is a guy in the UK who has done this with stellar results, albeit with a 30/70 reflective/transmissive glass :D..



http://www.aldous.net/photo/project08.htm



As you can see the result is the same with a bracket or a box, he chose to go with a box, I am going to try the bracket method first.



The key to the whole thing is the polarization, it is a really fun technology. Why couldn't science class be fun like this in grade school? And it still isn't all the way through college, they don't tell you when you are in Geometry class that it can be used for all sorts of cool stuff like this /blarg.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':/' /> , they just tell you to memorize triangle rules.



I wonder who has the patent on the stereomirror technology? It should be available to the masses as an add-on bracket/extra Monitor, to allay the fears of high expense, I mean you already own about a third of the whole setup if you have an LCD.



I guess it all boils down to 3D stereo not being "mainstream" enough. /thumbsdown.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsdown:' />

#2
Posted 04/06/2007 11:35 PM   
This is simply awesome...great find on the mirror too. I was wondering why the hell they charge so much for the planar 3d (or the depthq, for that matter).

One question though, if you don't keep your head straight with linear polarized glasses, you get ghosting....do you find that annouying (or worse, headache inducing), or is it no big deal?

Again congradulations on find this method.
This is simply awesome...great find on the mirror too. I was wondering why the hell they charge so much for the planar 3d (or the depthq, for that matter).



One question though, if you don't keep your head straight with linear polarized glasses, you get ghosting....do you find that annouying (or worse, headache inducing), or is it no big deal?



Again congradulations on find this method.

#3
Posted 04/07/2007 12:20 AM   
[quote name='llamameat' date='Apr 6 2007, 05:20 PM']This is simply awesome...great find on the mirror too.  I was wondering why the hell they charge so much for the planar 3d (or the depthq, for that matter). 

One question though, if you don't keep your head straight with linear polarized glasses, you get ghosting....do you find that annouying (or worse, headache inducing), or is it no big deal?

Again congradulations on find this method.
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Ah, that is one thing to think about, on the whole I don't think that I tilt my head when using a monitor normally.

You could make some nifty glasses with a weight on the bottom that would always keep them straight /haha.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':haha:' /> , or just tilt the glasses on your face.

I just tried it on this screen, I think most people are most comfortable with their head at a certain angle, and you can adjust the glasses on your face to compensate.

It is nothing like the dual VGA mirror setup, I will be able to move my head left-right-up or down and turn my head, just not rotate it. I don't think it will be a problem.

Can't say for sure until the second LCD shows up though.
[quote name='llamameat' date='Apr 6 2007, 05:20 PM']This is simply awesome...great find on the mirror too.  I was wondering why the hell they charge so much for the planar 3d (or the depthq, for that matter). 



One question though, if you don't keep your head straight with linear polarized glasses, you get ghosting....do you find that annouying (or worse, headache inducing), or is it no big deal?



Again congradulations on find this method.

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Ah, that is one thing to think about, on the whole I don't think that I tilt my head when using a monitor normally.



You could make some nifty glasses with a weight on the bottom that would always keep them straight /haha.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':haha:' /> , or just tilt the glasses on your face.



I just tried it on this screen, I think most people are most comfortable with their head at a certain angle, and you can adjust the glasses on your face to compensate.



It is nothing like the dual VGA mirror setup, I will be able to move my head left-right-up or down and turn my head, just not rotate it. I don't think it will be a problem.



Can't say for sure until the second LCD shows up though.

#4
Posted 04/07/2007 06:45 AM   
Here is a pic of the original Cobox by Mr. Co van Ekeren from the Netherlands, this is what inspired Mr. Barry Aldous to make the [url="http://www.aldous.net/photo/project08.htm"]Tardis (link)[/url].

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As you can see, this is a [i]Very[/i] bright and high-contrast method for 3D.
Here is a pic of the original Cobox by Mr. Co van Ekeren from the Netherlands, this is what inspired Mr. Barry Aldous to make the Tardis (link).



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As you can see, this is a Very bright and high-contrast method for 3D.

#5
Posted 04/07/2007 04:01 PM   
Good news all, I have finished my 3D setup and it is good, really really good. And Cheap, really really cheap.

My preliminary Dual LCD Planar setup (this is actually two OEM Planar units badged as Hitachi CML175SX and CML174SX, one has speakers).

[url="http://picasaweb.google.com/nubie07/3DMonitor/photo#5056911741458935202"][img]http://lh6.google.com/image/nubie07/Ri3Cb6opbaI/AAAAAAAAALY/8ly379aEQ4o/s400/DSCF0098.JPG[/img][/url] [url="http://picasaweb.google.com/nubie07/3DMonitor/photo#5056911732869000578"][img]http://lh4.google.com/image/nubie07/Ri3CbaopbYI/AAAAAAAAALI/Okjis-9WR2I/s400/DSCF0095.JPG[/img][/url]

Check out this awesome effect, if you can cross your eyes and focus on the two screenshots below of my actual monitor (through each lens of my polarized glasses) there is a 3D effect! It is like seeing my actual desktop!

[url="http://picasaweb.google.com/nubie07/3DMonitor/photo#5056911737163967890"][img]http://lh5.google.com/image/nubie07/Ri3CbqopbZI/AAAAAAAAALQ/LTFz9vEVGIc/s400/DSCF0096.JPG[/img][/url][url="http://picasaweb.google.com/nubie07/3DMonitor/photo#5056912892510170562"][img]http://lh6.google.com/image/nubie07/Ri3De6opbcI/AAAAAAAAAL8/f_GvcK5WsLg/s400/DSCF0097.JPG[/img][/url]

I basically cross my eyes until they are lined up, then "relax" my eyeballs to allow them to focus, otherwise the muscles pulling them cross-eyed deform my eyes and defocus the image. Note that it is easier to do if you are a foot or two back and are used to viewing cross-eyed stereo pairs. Either way the proof is in the pudding, no ghosting and high contrast for direct view. Even with a picture, (hey, there weren't any pictures in that article, how do we know what DLP 3D looks like?)

I set it up in a horizontal setup to check the effect. Unbelievably brilliant, high res (1280x1024, x2), ZERO ghosting, lightweight comfortable glasses. It kind of helps that these are top of the line monitors though. I got them for ~$50 apiece on ebay, I had to get 3 and swap parts around, I had a broken LCD, a dead Inverter, and a dead set of back-light tubes, so out of $150 worth of junk LCD's I salvaged 2 sweet ones.

I wasn't prepared for the effect to be visible from many angles, but as you see from my screenshots the effect works anywhere you are looking through the mirror. I need to put back in my hard drive with Oblivion and Tomb Raider: Legend and World Racing 2, Serious Sam 2 etc etc.

I do plan on mounting them eventually in a Planar style mount: [url="http://www.planar.com/products/flatpanel_monitors/stereoscopic/"]http://www.planar.com/products/flatpanel_m...s/stereoscopic/[/url] Note the $4,000 price tag and I get the same effect (with the same screens) for under $300 :D.

All you need to do is get the pictures mostly aligned, it doesn't have to be precise as each eye will see a completely different diverging picture anyway, just having the screens aligned horizontally is enough, and in a vertical monitor arrangement the mirror can perform that alignment, if you look at the Planar monitor(s?) you will see that there is an adjustment screw for that purpose.

Don't forget that the source for the mirrors is [url="http://telepromptermirrors.com/"]http://telepromptermirrors.com/[/url]

Notice that the Planar commercial jobs have a truncated (short) mirror, that is because you will be looking down at your screen, and the extra mirror is useless because all you would see through it would be your Desk, and a reflection of the ceiling. Take that into account when you measure for the glass.

You can do a mockup too with a mirror or a piece of cardboard, hold it where the half-mirror will go, if you can't see your monitor screen, then it should be big enough, the regular mirror method works if you have the mount already made and you want to see the top screen is reflected.

Best to get an extra couple inches to be on the safe side though, and they will cut it for you to any size, so that is good.

This method will theoretically work on any size screens you can get, I would love to see this in a dual 30" :), obviously that would be expensive, but the quality would be absolutely stunning.

Try a dual 15" one for starters, there is a good chance you can borrow a second screen at work and give it a go, or borrow one from a friend to test the waters as it were. Once you are convinced, get a couple sub-$200 19" monitors and enjoy. If you are already using an LCD that didn't cost you an arm and a leg, you can get a second one and be good to go.

If you make the top screen flip up or detach for desk use you can have the luxury of dual screens in normal 2D windows tasks as well, that is how I am typing this up, managing mp Picasa on the left screen and typing this on the right screen.

I think that the dual LCD method offers the most bang for the buck, it is high contrast, high res, Zero ghosting, zero flickering, and can be easily set up for under $500, including a handful of spare glasses so everyone can watch too. If anyone wants to know my driver setup, it is the 91.31 Stereo drivers and the 93.81 Forceware on a GeForce 7900GS. If anyone is looking to do this I recommend a 7900 series with 512MB of ram, I have basically modded my 7900GS up to the GTX clock speed, but I can't double the ram. I got it for $120 so it isn't all bad, but a 7900GT/GTX/ 7950GT etc would be an ideal card. The 8600GTS is about level in terms of performance with the 7900 series right now, so you don't really lose out on playability.
Good news all, I have finished my 3D setup and it is good, really really good. And Cheap, really really cheap.



My preliminary Dual LCD Planar setup (this is actually two OEM Planar units badged as Hitachi CML175SX and CML174SX, one has speakers).



Image Image



Check out this awesome effect, if you can cross your eyes and focus on the two screenshots below of my actual monitor (through each lens of my polarized glasses) there is a 3D effect! It is like seeing my actual desktop!



ImageImage



I basically cross my eyes until they are lined up, then "relax" my eyeballs to allow them to focus, otherwise the muscles pulling them cross-eyed deform my eyes and defocus the image. Note that it is easier to do if you are a foot or two back and are used to viewing cross-eyed stereo pairs. Either way the proof is in the pudding, no ghosting and high contrast for direct view. Even with a picture, (hey, there weren't any pictures in that article, how do we know what DLP 3D looks like?)



I set it up in a horizontal setup to check the effect. Unbelievably brilliant, high res (1280x1024, x2), ZERO ghosting, lightweight comfortable glasses. It kind of helps that these are top of the line monitors though. I got them for ~$50 apiece on ebay, I had to get 3 and swap parts around, I had a broken LCD, a dead Inverter, and a dead set of back-light tubes, so out of $150 worth of junk LCD's I salvaged 2 sweet ones.



I wasn't prepared for the effect to be visible from many angles, but as you see from my screenshots the effect works anywhere you are looking through the mirror. I need to put back in my hard drive with Oblivion and Tomb Raider: Legend and World Racing 2, Serious Sam 2 etc etc.



I do plan on mounting them eventually in a Planar style mount: http://www.planar.com/products/flatpanel_m...s/stereoscopic/ Note the $4,000 price tag and I get the same effect (with the same screens) for under $300 :D.



All you need to do is get the pictures mostly aligned, it doesn't have to be precise as each eye will see a completely different diverging picture anyway, just having the screens aligned horizontally is enough, and in a vertical monitor arrangement the mirror can perform that alignment, if you look at the Planar monitor(s?) you will see that there is an adjustment screw for that purpose.



Don't forget that the source for the mirrors is http://telepromptermirrors.com/



Notice that the Planar commercial jobs have a truncated (short) mirror, that is because you will be looking down at your screen, and the extra mirror is useless because all you would see through it would be your Desk, and a reflection of the ceiling. Take that into account when you measure for the glass.



You can do a mockup too with a mirror or a piece of cardboard, hold it where the half-mirror will go, if you can't see your monitor screen, then it should be big enough, the regular mirror method works if you have the mount already made and you want to see the top screen is reflected.



Best to get an extra couple inches to be on the safe side though, and they will cut it for you to any size, so that is good.



This method will theoretically work on any size screens you can get, I would love to see this in a dual 30" :), obviously that would be expensive, but the quality would be absolutely stunning.



Try a dual 15" one for starters, there is a good chance you can borrow a second screen at work and give it a go, or borrow one from a friend to test the waters as it were. Once you are convinced, get a couple sub-$200 19" monitors and enjoy. If you are already using an LCD that didn't cost you an arm and a leg, you can get a second one and be good to go.



If you make the top screen flip up or detach for desk use you can have the luxury of dual screens in normal 2D windows tasks as well, that is how I am typing this up, managing mp Picasa on the left screen and typing this on the right screen.



I think that the dual LCD method offers the most bang for the buck, it is high contrast, high res, Zero ghosting, zero flickering, and can be easily set up for under $500, including a handful of spare glasses so everyone can watch too. If anyone wants to know my driver setup, it is the 91.31 Stereo drivers and the 93.81 Forceware on a GeForce 7900GS. If anyone is looking to do this I recommend a 7900 series with 512MB of ram, I have basically modded my 7900GS up to the GTX clock speed, but I can't double the ram. I got it for $120 so it isn't all bad, but a 7900GT/GTX/ 7950GT etc would be an ideal card. The 8600GTS is about level in terms of performance with the 7900 series right now, so you don't really lose out on playability.

#6
Posted 04/24/2007 09:57 AM   
I'm interested in attempting this but I wanted to know how you configure the video card to output 3d to both screens simultaneously do you use dualhead to go? or is each monitor attached to a separate video port. I was hoping to attach each monitor to a separate video port as using dual head to go would restrict the refresh rate and max screen size!
I'm interested in attempting this but I wanted to know how you configure the video card to output 3d to both screens simultaneously do you use dualhead to go? or is each monitor attached to a separate video port. I was hoping to attach each monitor to a separate video port as using dual head to go would restrict the refresh rate and max screen size!

#7
Posted 04/24/2007 12:24 PM   
[quote name='spaman_64' date='Apr 24 2007, 05:24 AM']I'm interested in attempting this but I wanted to know how you configure the video card to output 3d to both screens simultaneously do you use dualhead to go? or is each monitor attached to a separate video port. I was hoping to attach each monitor to a separate video port as using dual head to go would restrict the refresh rate and max screen size!
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I have one monitor connected to each output on my single card (a single 6200, or 6600, or 7900, depending on which computer I am using) [b][edited to avoid confusion, I only use one video card at a time for 3D stereo, the video cards all have dual-output, so any one of the cards by itself does a great job].[/b]

If you have a laptop that is polarized at 45° and does a Dualview with an external display you can put a similar-size LCD monitor beside it and do this too.

Here are some screen caps of my Nvidia control panel.

First clone two displays:
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Then enable the stereo mirrored mode:
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EDIT:

I just realized my mistake, I should be using the 93.71 stereo drivers [url="http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1511"]http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1511[/url] , I had them downloaded and installed on a different hard drive and they work much better.

I highly recommend these with the 93.81 drivers, they work very well with a lot of games.

Edit I really have to put in my other hard drive, I don't know what I was doing before, but it was better than this setup. I should probably try the 100 series drivers, it has been said that you can install them for a 7900 series card. Perhaps I need to install 93.71 Forceware to make a driver pair with the beta 93.71, then upgrade to 93.81 video drivers and see if that helps, I have some surfaces coming detached from their surroundings, notably the front wall of the garages on pit lane in Live For Speed demo, and the glasses on the "hero" of the Lobby portion of 3Dmark2001. This didn't happen with my old hard drive, so I am thinking I have something installed differently.
[quote name='spaman_64' date='Apr 24 2007, 05:24 AM']I'm interested in attempting this but I wanted to know how you configure the video card to output 3d to both screens simultaneously do you use dualhead to go? or is each monitor attached to a separate video port. I was hoping to attach each monitor to a separate video port as using dual head to go would restrict the refresh rate and max screen size!

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I have one monitor connected to each output on my single card (a single 6200, or 6600, or 7900, depending on which computer I am using) [edited to avoid confusion, I only use one video card at a time for 3D stereo, the video cards all have dual-output, so any one of the cards by itself does a great job].



If you have a laptop that is polarized at 45° and does a Dualview with an external display you can put a similar-size LCD monitor beside it and do this too.



Here are some screen caps of my Nvidia control panel.



First clone two displays:

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Then enable the stereo mirrored mode:

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EDIT:



I just realized my mistake, I should be using the 93.71 stereo drivers http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1511 , I had them downloaded and installed on a different hard drive and they work much better.



I highly recommend these with the 93.81 drivers, they work very well with a lot of games.



Edit I really have to put in my other hard drive, I don't know what I was doing before, but it was better than this setup. I should probably try the 100 series drivers, it has been said that you can install them for a 7900 series card. Perhaps I need to install 93.71 Forceware to make a driver pair with the beta 93.71, then upgrade to 93.81 video drivers and see if that helps, I have some surfaces coming detached from their surroundings, notably the front wall of the garages on pit lane in Live For Speed demo, and the glasses on the "hero" of the Lobby portion of 3Dmark2001. This didn't happen with my old hard drive, so I am thinking I have something installed differently.

#8
Posted 04/24/2007 07:38 PM   
Interesting experiment here. Years back I used the sterioscopic glasses on a CRT and thought it was great, but that big monitor died on me awhile back and was replaced by an LCD so no more 3d gaming. I'm curious what you are using to enable the mirror flipping image? The planar setup mentions a separate PCI card for the mirror flip...is this something that your nvidia 7900 accomplishes already? I've got an 8800 gts and was thinking of upgrading my MB to a SLI setup and wondering if i need to also plan on a third card (aside from the two 8800's) for the mirror flipping. Thanks for the info and publishing you results.

BTW - with the mirror and glasses you are using, how dim is the image you are seeing? I've got a gateway 22 inch widescreen monitor (not terribly happy with it) so I want to make sure that the images and colors are still decent before I pluck down more $ on an idential monitor.
Interesting experiment here. Years back I used the sterioscopic glasses on a CRT and thought it was great, but that big monitor died on me awhile back and was replaced by an LCD so no more 3d gaming. I'm curious what you are using to enable the mirror flipping image? The planar setup mentions a separate PCI card for the mirror flip...is this something that your nvidia 7900 accomplishes already? I've got an 8800 gts and was thinking of upgrading my MB to a SLI setup and wondering if i need to also plan on a third card (aside from the two 8800's) for the mirror flipping. Thanks for the info and publishing you results.



BTW - with the mirror and glasses you are using, how dim is the image you are seeing? I've got a gateway 22 inch widescreen monitor (not terribly happy with it) so I want to make sure that the images and colors are still decent before I pluck down more $ on an idential monitor.

#9
Posted 04/25/2007 02:08 PM   
[quote name='zebrastealer' date='Apr 25 2007, 07:08 AM']Interesting experiment here.  Years back I used the sterioscopic glasses on a CRT and thought it was great, but that big monitor died on me awhile back and was replaced by an LCD so no more 3d gaming.[/quote]Sounds like this happens a lot.

[quote]I'm curious what you are using to enable the mirror flipping image?  The planar setup mentions a separate PCI card for the mirror flip...is this something that your nvidia 7900 accomplishes already?[/quote]Look at my driver panel, one 7900 card, the 3D drop-down menu is what enables the 3D. IT IS ALL IN THE DRIVER, any card with dual-head will work, from 4 series through 7 series cards.

[quote]I've got an 8800 gts and was thinking of upgrading my MB to a SLI setup and wondering if i need to also plan on a third card (aside from the two 8800's) for the mirror flipping.  Thanks for the info and publishing you results.[/quote]No, the mirror is in the driver already, just choose it from the drop down menu in the Stereo place. You only need ONE CARD. Why are you going SLI? Usually the same results (and better) can be achieved with a single card if you use a heat-pipe copper cooler like the Zalman 9000 and do a voltage modification to increase the core and memory clocks, also overclocking the PCIe bus helps.

I just mention this because SLI needs to be supported, it still limits you to 2 outputs total, and the increases are only 10-20% on some games, 40-60% on others, so a 50% overclock on a single card is a smarter route as you will know you are getting 50% more power, it will be compatible with any application, and the cost is significantly less. If you plan to use 4 displays, then a pair of video cards begins to make sense, but 3D only works full-screen on DirectX, and Dx doesn't support multi-monitor full-screen outputs.

[url="http://www.vr-zone.com/index.php?i=4296"]http://www.vr-zone.com/index.php?i=4296[/url] this is an overclock on the ACS3 edition EVGA 8800GTX

[quote]BTW - with the mirror and glasses you are using, how dim is the image you are seeing?  I've got a gateway 22 inch widescreen monitor (not terribly happy with it) so I want to make sure that the images and colors are still decent before I pluck down more $ on an idential monitor.
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[/quote]The above screenshots are directly of the setup through the glasses, how bright do they look? The picture is better than acceptable, it is the best 3D I have ever viewed (barring a direct-view mirrored Dual CRT, but you can't move your head and your nose is jammed into a mirror, not to mention how close your face is to the screen. And 2 CRT's don't even fit on a normal desk).

If you aren't happy with your Gateway then I wouldn't suggest buying another, get a pair of good Samsung/Hitachi/Planar/Acer that you know are high quality, go to the store and try them out first.

If you want a second monitor, try ebay: [url="http://cgi.ebay.com/Gateway-21-LCD-Monitor_W0QQitemZ290109407113QQihZ019QQcategoryZ51047QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.com/Gateway-21-LCD-Monitor...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]

The loss of brightness isn't noticable at all, and the increased contrast more than makes up for it.

Please click on the photos and go look at the web album, all you need to know is answered by the pictures already.
[quote name='zebrastealer' date='Apr 25 2007, 07:08 AM']Interesting experiment here.  Years back I used the sterioscopic glasses on a CRT and thought it was great, but that big monitor died on me awhile back and was replaced by an LCD so no more 3d gaming.Sounds like this happens a lot.



I'm curious what you are using to enable the mirror flipping image?  The planar setup mentions a separate PCI card for the mirror flip...is this something that your nvidia 7900 accomplishes already?
Look at my driver panel, one 7900 card, the 3D drop-down menu is what enables the 3D. IT IS ALL IN THE DRIVER, any card with dual-head will work, from 4 series through 7 series cards.



I've got an 8800 gts and was thinking of upgrading my MB to a SLI setup and wondering if i need to also plan on a third card (aside from the two 8800's) for the mirror flipping.  Thanks for the info and publishing you results.
No, the mirror is in the driver already, just choose it from the drop down menu in the Stereo place. You only need ONE CARD. Why are you going SLI? Usually the same results (and better) can be achieved with a single card if you use a heat-pipe copper cooler like the Zalman 9000 and do a voltage modification to increase the core and memory clocks, also overclocking the PCIe bus helps.



I just mention this because SLI needs to be supported, it still limits you to 2 outputs total, and the increases are only 10-20% on some games, 40-60% on others, so a 50% overclock on a single card is a smarter route as you will know you are getting 50% more power, it will be compatible with any application, and the cost is significantly less. If you plan to use 4 displays, then a pair of video cards begins to make sense, but 3D only works full-screen on DirectX, and Dx doesn't support multi-monitor full-screen outputs.



http://www.vr-zone.com/index.php?i=4296 this is an overclock on the ACS3 edition EVGA 8800GTX



BTW - with the mirror and glasses you are using, how dim is the image you are seeing?  I've got a gateway 22 inch widescreen monitor (not terribly happy with it) so I want to make sure that the images and colors are still decent before I pluck down more $ on an idential monitor.

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The above screenshots are directly of the setup through the glasses, how bright do they look? The picture is better than acceptable, it is the best 3D I have ever viewed (barring a direct-view mirrored Dual CRT, but you can't move your head and your nose is jammed into a mirror, not to mention how close your face is to the screen. And 2 CRT's don't even fit on a normal desk).



If you aren't happy with your Gateway then I wouldn't suggest buying another, get a pair of good Samsung/Hitachi/Planar/Acer that you know are high quality, go to the store and try them out first.



If you want a second monitor, try ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Gateway-21-LCD-Monitor...1QQcmdZViewItem



The loss of brightness isn't noticable at all, and the increased contrast more than makes up for it.



Please click on the photos and go look at the web album, all you need to know is answered by the pictures already.

#10
Posted 04/25/2007 07:09 PM   
[quote name='nubie' date='Apr 24 2007, 05:57 AM']  If anyone wants to know my driver setup, it is the 91.31 Stereo drivers and the 93.81 Forceware on a GeForce 7900GS.  [right][snapback]188900[/snapback][/right]
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I thought the 91.31 stereo drivers HAD to be run with the 91.31 Forceware drivers. Can you please elaborate on your configuration? Where can I get the 93.81 forceware drivers? I can't seem to find them here.

Will the 91.31 3D & 93.81 Force work well with my 7800 GTX?
[quote name='nubie' date='Apr 24 2007, 05:57 AM']  If anyone wants to know my driver setup, it is the 91.31 Stereo drivers and the 93.81 Forceware on a GeForce 7900GS. 
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I thought the 91.31 stereo drivers HAD to be run with the 91.31 Forceware drivers. Can you please elaborate on your configuration? Where can I get the 93.81 forceware drivers? I can't seem to find them here.



Will the 91.31 3D & 93.81 Force work well with my 7800 GTX?

#11
Posted 04/29/2007 02:02 AM   
[quote name='Stadius' date='Apr 28 2007, 07:02 PM']I thought the 91.31 stereo drivers HAD to be run with the 91.31 Forceware drivers.  Can you please elaborate on your configuration?  Where can I get the 93.81 forceware drivers?  I can't seem to find them here.

Will the 91.31 3D & 93.81 Force work well with my 7800 GTX?
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[/quote]I think I got the 93.71 stereo driver here:
[url="http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?id=22"]http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?id=22[/url]

I am not quite sure what I was doing a few months back, possibly I installed the 91.31 as a pair, then moved to the 93.71 as a pair, and then updated just the forceware to the 93.81 ( [url="http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_downloads_rel70betadriver.html"]http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_download...betadriver.html[/url] ).

Either way, it installed and worked wonderfully, so no they don't have to be precisely paired, but I think that they might need to be the same major revision (IE 91 series, or 93 series), I have no proof of that, merely a guess.

I don't know why the driver wouldn't work with your 7800 GTX, it is basically a slower version of my 7900 GS.
[quote name='Stadius' date='Apr 28 2007, 07:02 PM']I thought the 91.31 stereo drivers HAD to be run with the 91.31 Forceware drivers.  Can you please elaborate on your configuration?  Where can I get the 93.81 forceware drivers?  I can't seem to find them here.



Will the 91.31 3D & 93.81 Force work well with my 7800 GTX?

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I think I got the 93.71 stereo driver here:

http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?id=22



I am not quite sure what I was doing a few months back, possibly I installed the 91.31 as a pair, then moved to the 93.71 as a pair, and then updated just the forceware to the 93.81 ( http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_download...betadriver.html ).



Either way, it installed and worked wonderfully, so no they don't have to be precisely paired, but I think that they might need to be the same major revision (IE 91 series, or 93 series), I have no proof of that, merely a guess.



I don't know why the driver wouldn't work with your 7800 GTX, it is basically a slower version of my 7900 GS.

#12
Posted 04/29/2007 07:04 PM   
Alright, I've got my 2nd monitor and am waiting for the polarized glasses and mirror to arrive to begin setting up my own 3d display. I'll post my own experiences here. Guess I'll have to pull out my 8800 GTS and plug back in the old 6800 until NVidia gets around to a new set of 3d drivers.

BTW - that overclocking article is interesting from a 'somebody managed to do that' perspective but their setup is so ridiculous that I can't see that many rabid overclockers making that many modifications to their cards. God knows I'm not ripping crap off my brand new card and voiding the warranty in an attempt to crank out every last bit of juice i can out of the card without frying it to a crisp or crackign my motherboard in half. I'll play it safe and take the 30% performance increase with a 2nd card in SLI mode (well, sometime in the future, after I get more needed cpu/mb and memory upgrades).
Alright, I've got my 2nd monitor and am waiting for the polarized glasses and mirror to arrive to begin setting up my own 3d display. I'll post my own experiences here. Guess I'll have to pull out my 8800 GTS and plug back in the old 6800 until NVidia gets around to a new set of 3d drivers.



BTW - that overclocking article is interesting from a 'somebody managed to do that' perspective but their setup is so ridiculous that I can't see that many rabid overclockers making that many modifications to their cards. God knows I'm not ripping crap off my brand new card and voiding the warranty in an attempt to crank out every last bit of juice i can out of the card without frying it to a crisp or crackign my motherboard in half. I'll play it safe and take the 30% performance increase with a 2nd card in SLI mode (well, sometime in the future, after I get more needed cpu/mb and memory upgrades).

#13
Posted 04/30/2007 01:39 AM   
Whoops, double post. :huh:
Whoops, double post. :huh:

#14
Posted 04/30/2007 01:39 AM   
[quote name='zebrastealer' date='Apr 29 2007, 06:39 PM']Alright, I've got my 2nd monitor and am waiting for the polarized glasses and mirror to arrive to begin setting up my own 3d display.  I'll post my own experiences here.  Guess I'll have to pull out my 8800 GTS and plug back in the old 6800 until NVidia gets around to a new set of 3d drivers.[/quote]Sounds cool, look into a 7900GS though, they are in the $120-150 range on ebay and they own in stereo.

I am now wishing for 8800 drivers and dual 22" widescreen :P.

[quote]BTW - that overclocking article is interesting from a 'somebody managed to do that' perspective but their setup is so ridiculous that I can't see that many rabid overclockers making that many modifications to their cards.  God knows I'm not ripping crap off my brand new card and voiding the warranty in an attempt to crank out every last bit of juice i can out of the card without frying it to a crisp or crackign my motherboard in half.  I'll play it safe and take the 30% performance increase with a 2nd card in SLI mode (well, sometime in the future, after I get  more needed cpu/mb and memory upgrades).
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I see your point, I guess it makes more sense for a cheap 7900 series card, they all have 256-bit memory bus and are quite powerful, stock they are more powerful than 8600 series, and even when you start clocking the 7900 moves far ahead as it scales better with the double width memory bus.

Just because the 7900 series has good 3D drivers it is a good idea to pick up a 7900 card if you like 3D, plus for under $200 their price/performance is awesome.
[quote name='zebrastealer' date='Apr 29 2007, 06:39 PM']Alright, I've got my 2nd monitor and am waiting for the polarized glasses and mirror to arrive to begin setting up my own 3d display.  I'll post my own experiences here.  Guess I'll have to pull out my 8800 GTS and plug back in the old 6800 until NVidia gets around to a new set of 3d drivers.Sounds cool, look into a 7900GS though, they are in the $120-150 range on ebay and they own in stereo.



I am now wishing for 8800 drivers and dual 22" widescreen :P.



BTW - that overclocking article is interesting from a 'somebody managed to do that' perspective but their setup is so ridiculous that I can't see that many rabid overclockers making that many modifications to their cards.  God knows I'm not ripping crap off my brand new card and voiding the warranty in an attempt to crank out every last bit of juice i can out of the card without frying it to a crisp or crackign my motherboard in half.  I'll play it safe and take the 30% performance increase with a 2nd card in SLI mode (well, sometime in the future, after I get  more needed cpu/mb and memory upgrades).

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I see your point, I guess it makes more sense for a cheap 7900 series card, they all have 256-bit memory bus and are quite powerful, stock they are more powerful than 8600 series, and even when you start clocking the 7900 moves far ahead as it scales better with the double width memory bus.



Just because the 7900 series has good 3D drivers it is a good idea to pick up a 7900 card if you like 3D, plus for under $200 their price/performance is awesome.

#15
Posted 04/30/2007 06:22 PM   
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