Not sure which GeForce video card to purchase
I'm about to purchase a new Dell PC--either a Dimension 9200 or an XPS 410. I'll be using the PC for various things, including application development, moderate graphics work, some digital media work, and moderate gaming. I'm leaning towards an Intel Core 2 Duo processor E6600 (2.4GHz), 4GB of RAM (I realize that the x86 can only access about 3.5GB of it), Vista Ultimate, and a 20" widescreen monitor. I'm having difficulty deciding which nVidia GeForce card to select. The choices on Dell's web site include:

1. 256MB nVidia Geforce 7300LE TurboCache [Included in Price]
2. 256MB nVidia GeForce 7900 GS [add $200]
3. 768MB nVidia GeForce 8800 GTX [add $750]

I was leaning towards the 7900, but then I learned that it doesn't/won't/can't support DX10--but that the 8800 does. I *do* have MS Flight Simulator X Deluxe--which, as I understand it, can take advantage of DX10; other than that, however, I'm not sure how important support for DX10 is at this point. The extra $750 for the 8800 seems cost-prohibitive, IMO. Besides, it seems that more than a few people are having trouble with the 8800.

I imagine that the difference between the 7900 and the 8800 would be quite noticeable. Would I notice much of a difference between the 7300 and the 7900?
I'm about to purchase a new Dell PC--either a Dimension 9200 or an XPS 410. I'll be using the PC for various things, including application development, moderate graphics work, some digital media work, and moderate gaming. I'm leaning towards an Intel Core 2 Duo processor E6600 (2.4GHz), 4GB of RAM (I realize that the x86 can only access about 3.5GB of it), Vista Ultimate, and a 20" widescreen monitor. I'm having difficulty deciding which nVidia GeForce card to select. The choices on Dell's web site include:



1. 256MB nVidia Geforce 7300LE TurboCache [Included in Price]

2. 256MB nVidia GeForce 7900 GS [add $200]

3. 768MB nVidia GeForce 8800 GTX [add $750]



I was leaning towards the 7900, but then I learned that it doesn't/won't/can't support DX10--but that the 8800 does. I *do* have MS Flight Simulator X Deluxe--which, as I understand it, can take advantage of DX10; other than that, however, I'm not sure how important support for DX10 is at this point. The extra $750 for the 8800 seems cost-prohibitive, IMO. Besides, it seems that more than a few people are having trouble with the 8800.



I imagine that the difference between the 7900 and the 8800 would be quite noticeable. Would I notice much of a difference between the 7300 and the 7900?

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Posted 04/01/2007 01:19 AM   
[quote name='cwaters' date='Mar 31 2007, 08:19 PM']I'm about to purchase a new Dell PC--either a Dimension 9200 or an XPS 410. I'll be using the PC for various things, including application development, moderate graphics work, some digital media work, and moderate gaming. I'm leaning towards an Intel Core 2 Duo processor E6600 (2.4GHz), 4GB of RAM (I realize that the x86 can only access about 3.5GB of it), Vista Ultimate, and a 20" widescreen monitor. I'm having difficulty deciding which nVidia GeForce card to select. The choices on Dell's web site include:

1. 256MB nVidia Geforce 7300LE TurboCache [Included in Price]
2. 256MB nVidia GeForce 7900 GS [add $200]
3. 768MB nVidia GeForce 8800 GTX [add $750]

I was leaning towards the 7900, but then I learned that it doesn't/won't/can't support DX10--but that the 8800 does. I *do* have MS Flight Simulator X Deluxe--which, as I understand it, can take advantage of DX10; other than that, however, I'm not sure how important support for DX10 is at this point. The extra $750 for the 8800 seems cost-prohibitive, IMO. Besides, it seems that more than a few people are having trouble with the 8800.

I imagine that the difference between the 7900 and the 8800 would be quite noticeable. Would I notice much of a difference between the 7300 and the 7900?
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For gaming, there would definitely be a noticeable difference between the 7300 and the 7900 cards.
Some ppl are having alot of success with their 8800 cards but I couldn`t justify the extra cost at this time.
Keep in mind that if you choose one of the higher end cards , that you have a quality power supply with enough +12 Amps to back it up.
[quote name='cwaters' date='Mar 31 2007, 08:19 PM']I'm about to purchase a new Dell PC--either a Dimension 9200 or an XPS 410. I'll be using the PC for various things, including application development, moderate graphics work, some digital media work, and moderate gaming. I'm leaning towards an Intel Core 2 Duo processor E6600 (2.4GHz), 4GB of RAM (I realize that the x86 can only access about 3.5GB of it), Vista Ultimate, and a 20" widescreen monitor. I'm having difficulty deciding which nVidia GeForce card to select. The choices on Dell's web site include:



1. 256MB nVidia Geforce 7300LE TurboCache [Included in Price]

2. 256MB nVidia GeForce 7900 GS [add $200]

3. 768MB nVidia GeForce 8800 GTX [add $750]



I was leaning towards the 7900, but then I learned that it doesn't/won't/can't support DX10--but that the 8800 does. I *do* have MS Flight Simulator X Deluxe--which, as I understand it, can take advantage of DX10; other than that, however, I'm not sure how important support for DX10 is at this point. The extra $750 for the 8800 seems cost-prohibitive, IMO. Besides, it seems that more than a few people are having trouble with the 8800.



I imagine that the difference between the 7900 and the 8800 would be quite noticeable. Would I notice much of a difference between the 7300 and the 7900?

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For gaming, there would definitely be a noticeable difference between the 7300 and the 7900 cards.

Some ppl are having alot of success with their 8800 cards but I couldn`t justify the extra cost at this time.

Keep in mind that if you choose one of the higher end cards , that you have a quality power supply with enough +12 Amps to back it up.

A8N32-SLI Deluxe, 4400+, OCZ Powerstream 520, 2 Gig OCZ EL Platinum ,WD Cavair SE16 250Gig, 1 optical,1 floppy,
Antec P160 case, EVGA7900GT KO.

#2
Posted 04/01/2007 06:41 AM   
[quote name='Sonny' date='Apr 1 2007, 02:41 AM']For gaming, there would definitely be a noticeable difference between the 7300 and the 7900 cards.
Some ppl are having alot of success with their 8800 cards but I couldn`t justify the extra cost at this time.
  Keep in mind that if you choose one of the higher end cards , that you have a quality power supply with enough +12 Amps to back it up.
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Thanks. I kind of figured that the 7900 might be good compromise between cost and performance; however, I was disappointed to learn that it doesn't support DX10.
[quote name='Sonny' date='Apr 1 2007, 02:41 AM']For gaming, there would definitely be a noticeable difference between the 7300 and the 7900 cards.

Some ppl are having alot of success with their 8800 cards but I couldn`t justify the extra cost at this time.

  Keep in mind that if you choose one of the higher end cards , that you have a quality power supply with enough +12 Amps to back it up.

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Thanks. I kind of figured that the 7900 might be good compromise between cost and performance; however, I was disappointed to learn that it doesn't support DX10.

#3
Posted 04/01/2007 01:12 PM   
dont worry about dx10 now.

as far as i know, there is no game at the moment (and wont be in the nearest future) that uses dx10.

go for the 7900.
dont worry about dx10 now.



as far as i know, there is no game at the moment (and wont be in the nearest future) that uses dx10.



go for the 7900.

660GTX
i5 3300 @ 3.0Ghz
8GB RAM

#4
Posted 04/01/2007 01:37 PM   
I thought MS Flight Simulator 10 supported DX10? The demos I saw last year indicated that it did.
I thought MS Flight Simulator 10 supported DX10? The demos I saw last year indicated that it did.

#5
Posted 04/01/2007 10:22 PM   
Yeap, there are game coming as DX10 support, but downgradable to DX9C which makes less eye candy (I rememeber as we said the same to DX8 and DX9C). MS FS10 is one of them.
Yeap, there are game coming as DX10 support, but downgradable to DX9C which makes less eye candy (I rememeber as we said the same to DX8 and DX9C). MS FS10 is one of them.

#6
Posted 04/01/2007 11:37 PM   
Has it been established that none of the 7x00-series can/will support DX10? From a novice's POV, I'm wondering what it is about DX10 that only the 8800 can (currently) support it.
Has it been established that none of the 7x00-series can/will support DX10? From a novice's POV, I'm wondering what it is about DX10 that only the 8800 can (currently) support it.

#7
Posted 04/02/2007 03:43 PM   
Only the 8 series of cards will support DirectX 10. None of the previous cards will. The capability is built into the card, it's not something you can change.

There's a massive difference between a 7300, which is a bare bones card, and a 7900, which is a high-end card. Two of the most powerful 7 series cards (7900GTX) in SLI aren't as powerful as a single 8800GTX.

It's possible, and pretty easy, to upgrade your video card on your own. You could stick with the 7300LE, and buy your own 8800GTX for a lot less. You will need to ensure that your computer has a power supply with at least 30A of +12V amperage, and, preferably, 2 6-pin PCI-Express power links. Dell sale's support should be able to give you this information.

Right now, Vista is extremely buggy. For stability and gaming, especially with an 8800, see if you can stick with Windows XP, and do an upgrade to Vista later. Right now, there's nothing that requires Vista. It's unlikely there will be until Vista is ironed out (think Vista SP1).


Amorphous

[quote name='cwaters' date='Apr 2 2007, 07:43 AM']Has it been established that none of the 7x00-series can/will support DX10? From a novice's POV, I'm wondering what it is about DX10 that only the 8800 can (currently) support it.
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Only the 8 series of cards will support DirectX 10. None of the previous cards will. The capability is built into the card, it's not something you can change.



There's a massive difference between a 7300, which is a bare bones card, and a 7900, which is a high-end card. Two of the most powerful 7 series cards (7900GTX) in SLI aren't as powerful as a single 8800GTX.



It's possible, and pretty easy, to upgrade your video card on your own. You could stick with the 7300LE, and buy your own 8800GTX for a lot less. You will need to ensure that your computer has a power supply with at least 30A of +12V amperage, and, preferably, 2 6-pin PCI-Express power links. Dell sale's support should be able to give you this information.



Right now, Vista is extremely buggy. For stability and gaming, especially with an 8800, see if you can stick with Windows XP, and do an upgrade to Vista later. Right now, there's nothing that requires Vista. It's unlikely there will be until Vista is ironed out (think Vista SP1).





Amorphous



[quote name='cwaters' date='Apr 2 2007, 07:43 AM']Has it been established that none of the 7x00-series can/will support DX10? From a novice's POV, I'm wondering what it is about DX10 that only the 8800 can (currently) support it.

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#8
Posted 04/02/2007 07:19 PM   
I don't trust the PSU's Dell uses, they seem far too low - an 8800GTX might be a bit too much?

For a short term fix, a 7900GS seems alright, especially as it's so much cheaper - you'd save so much that an upgrade a year down the line is possible.
I don't trust the PSU's Dell uses, they seem far too low - an 8800GTX might be a bit too much?



For a short term fix, a 7900GS seems alright, especially as it's so much cheaper - you'd save so much that an upgrade a year down the line is possible.

#9
Posted 04/02/2007 07:24 PM   
[quote name='Amorphous' date='Apr 2 2007, 03:19 PM']It's possible, and pretty easy, to upgrade your video card on your own. You could stick with the 7300LE, and buy your own 8800GTX for a lot less. You will need to ensure that your computer has a power supply with at least 30A of +12V amperage, and, preferably, 2 6-pin PCI-Express power links. Dell sale's support should be able to give you this information.
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I went with the 7900. It was only $200 more and seemed like a good upgrade from the 7300. I didn't see any 8800GTX models that were anywhere near that price. :mellow: I *did* go third-party on the 3rd and 4th GB of RAM. :)

The Dell pre-sales rep I was IM'ing with expresed his own concern that the original power supply in the XPS 410 didn't have enough juice for the 8800 but he was fairly certain that this had since been resolved--but who can say for sure? They would offer the 8800GTX as an option if the power supply couldn't handle it, would they?

[quote name='Amorphous' date='Apr 2 2007, 03:19 PM']Right now, Vista is extremely buggy. For stability and gaming, especially with an 8800, see if you can stick with Windows XP, and do an upgrade to Vista later. Right now, there's nothing that requires Vista. It's unlikely there will be until Vista is ironed out (think Vista SP1).
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On my existing system, I'm having good success with Vista for most productivity applications. Haven't done any gaming with it yet.
[quote name='Amorphous' date='Apr 2 2007, 03:19 PM']It's possible, and pretty easy, to upgrade your video card on your own. You could stick with the 7300LE, and buy your own 8800GTX for a lot less. You will need to ensure that your computer has a power supply with at least 30A of +12V amperage, and, preferably, 2 6-pin PCI-Express power links. Dell sale's support should be able to give you this information.

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I went with the 7900. It was only $200 more and seemed like a good upgrade from the 7300. I didn't see any 8800GTX models that were anywhere near that price. :mellow: I *did* go third-party on the 3rd and 4th GB of RAM. :)



The Dell pre-sales rep I was IM'ing with expresed his own concern that the original power supply in the XPS 410 didn't have enough juice for the 8800 but he was fairly certain that this had since been resolved--but who can say for sure? They would offer the 8800GTX as an option if the power supply couldn't handle it, would they?



[quote name='Amorphous' date='Apr 2 2007, 03:19 PM']Right now, Vista is extremely buggy. For stability and gaming, especially with an 8800, see if you can stick with Windows XP, and do an upgrade to Vista later. Right now, there's nothing that requires Vista. It's unlikely there will be until Vista is ironed out (think Vista SP1).

Amorphous

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On my existing system, I'm having good success with Vista for most productivity applications. Haven't done any gaming with it yet.

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Posted 04/02/2007 08:27 PM   
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