Graphics card upgrade: FX 5200 --> ? Best GPU choice for Dell Dimension 4600?
Hi, I have a Dell Dimension 4600 with a P4 2.8 Ghz CPU, 1.5 GB RAM and a 128 MB GeForce FX 5200.

Now, I have the sneaking suspicion that the 5200 isn't realizing my (aging, yes) rig's full gaming potential, so I'm going to upgrade. What would be the best graphics card for this setup? I'm looking for something in the $ 100-200 price range that's compatible with and won't fry my PC. Someone mentioned the 256 Mb GeForce 6800 GT; does that sound about right?

Btw, the FX 5200 is an AGP card, right? So the upgrade would have to be AGP as well, presumably?
Hi, I have a Dell Dimension 4600 with a P4 2.8 Ghz CPU, 1.5 GB RAM and a 128 MB GeForce FX 5200.



Now, I have the sneaking suspicion that the 5200 isn't realizing my (aging, yes) rig's full gaming potential, so I'm going to upgrade. What would be the best graphics card for this setup? I'm looking for something in the $ 100-200 price range that's compatible with and won't fry my PC. Someone mentioned the 256 Mb GeForce 6800 GT; does that sound about right?



Btw, the FX 5200 is an AGP card, right? So the upgrade would have to be AGP as well, presumably?

#1
Posted 11/14/2006 11:12 PM   
[quote name='Miracinonyx' date='Nov 14 2006, 06:12 PM']Hi, I have a Dell Dimension 4600 with a P4 2.8 Ghz CPU, 1.5 GB RAM and a 128 MB GeForce FX 5200.

Now, I have the sneaking suspicion that the 5200 isn't realizing my (aging, yes) rig's full gaming potential, so I'm going to upgrade. What would be the best graphics card for this setup? I'm looking for something in the $ 100-200 price range that's compatible with and won't fry my PC. Someone mentioned the 256 Mb GeForce 6800 GT; does that sound about right?

Btw, the FX 5200 is an AGP card, right? So the upgrade would have to be AGP as well, presumably?
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Going from an FX5200 to a 6800GT would be like night and day. Just make sure the power supply has a strong enough +12V rail . That is , if you have a single rail PSU make sure the +12 Amperage is in the mid 20s or more to be safe.
So , what PSU model do you have ? What is the +12V Amperage rating ?
[quote name='Miracinonyx' date='Nov 14 2006, 06:12 PM']Hi, I have a Dell Dimension 4600 with a P4 2.8 Ghz CPU, 1.5 GB RAM and a 128 MB GeForce FX 5200.



Now, I have the sneaking suspicion that the 5200 isn't realizing my (aging, yes) rig's full gaming potential, so I'm going to upgrade. What would be the best graphics card for this setup? I'm looking for something in the $ 100-200 price range that's compatible with and won't fry my PC. Someone mentioned the 256 Mb GeForce 6800 GT; does that sound about right?



Btw, the FX 5200 is an AGP card, right? So the upgrade would have to be AGP as well, presumably?

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Going from an FX5200 to a 6800GT would be like night and day. Just make sure the power supply has a strong enough +12V rail . That is , if you have a single rail PSU make sure the +12 Amperage is in the mid 20s or more to be safe.

So , what PSU model do you have ? What is the +12V Amperage rating ?

A8N32-SLI Deluxe, 4400+, OCZ Powerstream 520, 2 Gig OCZ EL Platinum ,WD Cavair SE16 250Gig, 1 optical,1 floppy,
Antec P160 case, EVGA7900GT KO.

#2
Posted 11/14/2006 11:19 PM   
[quote name='Sonny' date='Nov 15 2006, 01:19 AM']Going from an FX5200 to a 6800GT would be like night and day. Just make sure the power supply has a strong enough +12V rail . That is , if you have a single rail PSU make sure the +12 Amperage is in the mid 20s or more to be safe.
So , what PSU model do you have ? What is the +12V Amperage rating ?
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Afaik the PSU is an FSP250-60ATV-1A (see [url="http://www.atxcases.com/item.asp?id=1789&desc=dell_dimension_4600_250"]http://www.atxcases.com/item.asp?id=1789&d...ension_4600_250[/url] for full specs).

The +12V amp rating is 17.0, so a bit too weak for the 6800 GT I guess. :( What card would you recommend instead?
[quote name='Sonny' date='Nov 15 2006, 01:19 AM']Going from an FX5200 to a 6800GT would be like night and day. Just make sure the power supply has a strong enough +12V rail . That is , if you have a single rail PSU make sure the +12 Amperage is in the mid 20s or more to be safe.

So , what PSU model do you have ? What is the +12V Amperage rating ?

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Afaik the PSU is an FSP250-60ATV-1A (see http://www.atxcases.com/item.asp?id=1789&d...ension_4600_250 for full specs).



The +12V amp rating is 17.0, so a bit too weak for the 6800 GT I guess. :( What card would you recommend instead?

#3
Posted 11/15/2006 07:02 PM   
[quote name='Miracinonyx' date='Nov 15 2006, 02:02 PM']Afaik the PSU is an FSP250-60ATV-1A (see [url="http://www.atxcases.com/item.asp?id=1789&desc=dell_dimension_4600_250"]http://www.atxcases.com/item.asp?id=1789&d...ension_4600_250[/url] for full specs).

The +12V amp rating is 17.0, so a bit too weak for the 6800 GT I guess. :( What card would you recommend instead?
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I would get the 6800GT and a PSU . Just make sure it fits in the space provided for the PSU in the case. /wave.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wave:' />
[quote name='Miracinonyx' date='Nov 15 2006, 02:02 PM']Afaik the PSU is an FSP250-60ATV-1A (see http://www.atxcases.com/item.asp?id=1789&d...ension_4600_250 for full specs).



The +12V amp rating is 17.0, so a bit too weak for the 6800 GT I guess. :( What card would you recommend instead?

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I would get the 6800GT and a PSU . Just make sure it fits in the space provided for the PSU in the case. /wave.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wave:' />

A8N32-SLI Deluxe, 4400+, OCZ Powerstream 520, 2 Gig OCZ EL Platinum ,WD Cavair SE16 250Gig, 1 optical,1 floppy,
Antec P160 case, EVGA7900GT KO.

#4
Posted 11/16/2006 02:10 AM   
[quote name='Sonny' date='Nov 16 2006, 04:10 AM']I would get the 6800GT and a PSU . Just make sure it fits in the space provided for the PSU in the case.
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Yeah, getting a new PSU would no doubt be the best solution from a purely technical perspective... However, I'm a bit of a n00b, and I'd rather not mess with vital components unless I absolutely have to (i.e. when they're broken). The PSU may be relatively weak, but otherwise it works fine afaik. Replacing it wouldn't be easy (for me, anyway), and you never know what compatibility issues it might cause. So, I'm keeping the PSU.

Now, I would have probably kept the FX5200 too, but yesterday the damn thing died on me! Again!! :angry: Same thing happened roughly a year ago. Now that I'm forced to get a new card, might as well get one that's slightly better than the 5200 (shouldn't be too hard, heh). So, basically I'm looking for a card that:

1) gives better performance than the FX5200
2) has roughly the same power requirements, i.e. won't cause trouble when hooked up to a 250W PSU with a 16A +12V rail.

FX5700? Someone also suggested the GF4 Ti...

Btw, [url="http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=9354"]http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=9354[/url] has a nifty list of GPUs with their wattage requirements, but unfortunately no +12V rail amp ratings. :(
[quote name='Sonny' date='Nov 16 2006, 04:10 AM']I would get the 6800GT and a PSU . Just make sure it fits in the space provided for the PSU in the case.

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Yeah, getting a new PSU would no doubt be the best solution from a purely technical perspective... However, I'm a bit of a n00b, and I'd rather not mess with vital components unless I absolutely have to (i.e. when they're broken). The PSU may be relatively weak, but otherwise it works fine afaik. Replacing it wouldn't be easy (for me, anyway), and you never know what compatibility issues it might cause. So, I'm keeping the PSU.



Now, I would have probably kept the FX5200 too, but yesterday the damn thing died on me! Again!! :angry: Same thing happened roughly a year ago. Now that I'm forced to get a new card, might as well get one that's slightly better than the 5200 (shouldn't be too hard, heh). So, basically I'm looking for a card that:



1) gives better performance than the FX5200

2) has roughly the same power requirements, i.e. won't cause trouble when hooked up to a 250W PSU with a 16A +12V rail.



FX5700? Someone also suggested the GF4 Ti...



Btw, http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=9354 has a nifty list of GPUs with their wattage requirements, but unfortunately no +12V rail amp ratings. :(

#5
Posted 12/03/2006 10:19 AM   
Hi,

Have a frind with the same problem: Dell Dim 4600 with FX5200, usually slow - now dead. I'm helping him out and I am also worried about the compatibility with PSU (and perhaps other components).

My first thought was also a 5700 card, but they don't seem to be available anymore...? Now I am considering a 6200 card, but I don't know how many Amps it will require. Anyone who knows where to find this info?

Other suggestions will be higly appreciated, as my knowledge in graphics cards and games are out of date since the last 5 years or more :)

//Wressel
Hi,



Have a frind with the same problem: Dell Dim 4600 with FX5200, usually slow - now dead. I'm helping him out and I am also worried about the compatibility with PSU (and perhaps other components).



My first thought was also a 5700 card, but they don't seem to be available anymore...? Now I am considering a 6200 card, but I don't know how many Amps it will require. Anyone who knows where to find this info?



Other suggestions will be higly appreciated, as my knowledge in graphics cards and games are out of date since the last 5 years or more :)



//Wressel

#6
Posted 12/04/2006 08:07 AM   
[quote name='Miracinonyx' date='Dec 3 2006, 02:19 AM']Yeah, getting a new PSU would no doubt be the best solution from a purely technical perspective... However, I'm a bit of a n00b, and I'd rather not mess with vital components unless I absolutely have to (i.e. when they're broken). The PSU may be relatively weak, but otherwise it works fine afaik. Replacing it wouldn't be easy (for me, anyway), and you never know what compatibility issues it might cause. So, I'm keeping the PSU.

Now, I would have probably kept the FX5200 too, but yesterday the damn thing died on me! Again!!  :angry: Same thing happened roughly a year ago. Now that I'm forced to get a new card, might as well get one that's slightly better than the 5200 (shouldn't be too hard, heh). So, basically I'm looking for a card that:

1) gives better performance than the FX5200
2) has roughly the same power requirements, i.e. won't cause trouble when hooked up to a 250W PSU with a 16A +12V rail.

FX5700? Someone also suggested the GF4 Ti...

Btw, [url="http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=9354"]http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=9354[/url] has a nifty list of GPUs with their wattage requirements, but unfortunately no +12V rail amp ratings.  :(
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Well I’m certainly not recommending you buy it but here is the 5700LE 256mb at amazon
it says 2 left so get em while they are hot.
[url="http://www.amazon.com/Jaton-GEFORCE-FX5700LE-3DFORCE-FX5700LE-256/dp/B000243DPI/sr=8-5/qid=1165223524/ref=pd_bbs_5/102-7109684-3346543?ie=UTF8&s=electronics"]http://www.amazon.com/Jaton-GEFORCE-FX5700...8&s=electronics[/url]

I know you said you did not want to do it but you really should rethink changing the PSU
It’s VERY easy. In your case would probably only require fitting it and plugging in 5 one way can’t plug them in wrong socket kind of plugs.
When you order it just tell the C/S person your model computer and they should help you pick one that will fit with no problem.
Sonny was right on the money with the night and day comment and it would be worth the effort to fit the 6800gt.
As Sonny also said just make sure it has a decent number on the 12v rail (mid 20’s should be plenty) and you will be all set.
You should be good to go till your ready to upgrade to a Vista rig.
[quote name='Miracinonyx' date='Dec 3 2006, 02:19 AM']Yeah, getting a new PSU would no doubt be the best solution from a purely technical perspective... However, I'm a bit of a n00b, and I'd rather not mess with vital components unless I absolutely have to (i.e. when they're broken). The PSU may be relatively weak, but otherwise it works fine afaik. Replacing it wouldn't be easy (for me, anyway), and you never know what compatibility issues it might cause. So, I'm keeping the PSU.



Now, I would have probably kept the FX5200 too, but yesterday the damn thing died on me! Again!!  :angry: Same thing happened roughly a year ago. Now that I'm forced to get a new card, might as well get one that's slightly better than the 5200 (shouldn't be too hard, heh). So, basically I'm looking for a card that:



1) gives better performance than the FX5200

2) has roughly the same power requirements, i.e. won't cause trouble when hooked up to a 250W PSU with a 16A +12V rail.



FX5700? Someone also suggested the GF4 Ti...



Btw, http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=9354 has a nifty list of GPUs with their wattage requirements, but unfortunately no +12V rail amp ratings.  :(

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Well I’m certainly not recommending you buy it but here is the 5700LE 256mb at amazon

it says 2 left so get em while they are hot.

http://www.amazon.com/Jaton-GEFORCE-FX5700...8&s=electronics



I know you said you did not want to do it but you really should rethink changing the PSU

It’s VERY easy. In your case would probably only require fitting it and plugging in 5 one way can’t plug them in wrong socket kind of plugs.

When you order it just tell the C/S person your model computer and they should help you pick one that will fit with no problem.

Sonny was right on the money with the night and day comment and it would be worth the effort to fit the 6800gt.

As Sonny also said just make sure it has a decent number on the 12v rail (mid 20’s should be plenty) and you will be all set.

You should be good to go till your ready to upgrade to a Vista rig.

#7
Posted 12/04/2006 09:22 AM   
This page:

[url="http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=9354"]http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=9354[/url]

claims that the 6800GT takes 55W, so you may be OK with 17A on the 12V line provided you don't have a lot of hard disks in the system.

I was running a P4-3.06, four hard drives and a Radeon 9500 Pro on an 18A 12V line before I got the 7800GS and replaced the PSU with something more sensible, and while I think the 9500 Pro only took about 45W the drives are about 15-20W each and I think the P4-3.06 takes about 30W more than the 2.4.
This page:



http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=9354



claims that the 6800GT takes 55W, so you may be OK with 17A on the 12V line provided you don't have a lot of hard disks in the system.



I was running a P4-3.06, four hard drives and a Radeon 9500 Pro on an 18A 12V line before I got the 7800GS and replaced the PSU with something more sensible, and while I think the 9500 Pro only took about 45W the drives are about 15-20W each and I think the P4-3.06 takes about 30W more than the 2.4.

#8
Posted 12/04/2006 01:16 PM   
You know, if you look around on sites like [url="http://www.newegg.com"]Newegg[/url] you might be able to find a card that would fit into your computer specs, and may be a new PSU. If you take it to a place like best buy they can place the PSU and card in your computer for you!
You know, if you look around on sites like Newegg you might be able to find a card that would fit into your computer specs, and may be a new PSU. If you take it to a place like best buy they can place the PSU and card in your computer for you!

#9
Posted 12/05/2006 04:19 PM   
Get a new PSU and a new card, or just buy a new 5200 to replace the broken equipment. A 5700LE isn't going ot be an upgrade. And for newer games you need full DX9 support, which means you'll need the 6, 7 or 8 series. The first number is the series, which is basically the features the card has. Higher is newer. The rest of the numbers/letters are basically a description of the cards performance. A 6600 and a 7600 are very roughly analogous in performance. So if you're looking to upgrade your system, then upgrade it. Spending money and installing a 5700 is a waste of time.

Replacing a PSU isn't very hard. It can be time consuming, depending on how much wire management you want to do, but it's just a matter of connecting things. The plugs only fit where they belong. So as long as you aren't cutting something to try and cram it into the wrong connector I'm pretty sure you can do it. The new one will plug in the same as the old one. And most come with installation directions which are extremely straight forward.

If you want the +12V amp requirements from that list posted earlier just divide the watts by 12. Volts * Amps = Watts.


Amorphous
Get a new PSU and a new card, or just buy a new 5200 to replace the broken equipment. A 5700LE isn't going ot be an upgrade. And for newer games you need full DX9 support, which means you'll need the 6, 7 or 8 series. The first number is the series, which is basically the features the card has. Higher is newer. The rest of the numbers/letters are basically a description of the cards performance. A 6600 and a 7600 are very roughly analogous in performance. So if you're looking to upgrade your system, then upgrade it. Spending money and installing a 5700 is a waste of time.



Replacing a PSU isn't very hard. It can be time consuming, depending on how much wire management you want to do, but it's just a matter of connecting things. The plugs only fit where they belong. So as long as you aren't cutting something to try and cram it into the wrong connector I'm pretty sure you can do it. The new one will plug in the same as the old one. And most come with installation directions which are extremely straight forward.



If you want the +12V amp requirements from that list posted earlier just divide the watts by 12. Volts * Amps = Watts.





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#10
Posted 12/05/2006 05:09 PM   
[quote name='Miracinonyx' date='Nov 15 2006, 01:12 AM']Hi, I have a Dell Dimension 4600 with a P4 2.8 Ghz CPU, 1.5 GB RAM and a 128 MB GeForce FX 5200.

Now, I have the sneaking suspicion that the 5200 isn't realizing my (aging, yes) rig's full gaming potential, so I'm going to upgrade. What would be the best graphics card for this setup? I'm looking for something in the $ 100-200 price range that's compatible with and won't fry my PC. Someone mentioned the 256 Mb GeForce 6800 GT; does that sound about right?

Btw, the FX 5200 is an AGP card, right? So the upgrade would have to be AGP as well, presumably?
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I upgraded my friends Dimension 4600 with a Asus nVidia 6200 and it works great. Also took the opertunity to install a SATA disk and the computer now have good performance. Personally I did not try it out in any game, but the last 36 hours at least there have been no complains :)
[quote name='Miracinonyx' date='Nov 15 2006, 01:12 AM']Hi, I have a Dell Dimension 4600 with a P4 2.8 Ghz CPU, 1.5 GB RAM and a 128 MB GeForce FX 5200.



Now, I have the sneaking suspicion that the 5200 isn't realizing my (aging, yes) rig's full gaming potential, so I'm going to upgrade. What would be the best graphics card for this setup? I'm looking for something in the $ 100-200 price range that's compatible with and won't fry my PC. Someone mentioned the 256 Mb GeForce 6800 GT; does that sound about right?



Btw, the FX 5200 is an AGP card, right? So the upgrade would have to be AGP as well, presumably?

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I upgraded my friends Dimension 4600 with a Asus nVidia 6200 and it works great. Also took the opertunity to install a SATA disk and the computer now have good performance. Personally I did not try it out in any game, but the last 36 hours at least there have been no complains :)

#11
Posted 12/14/2006 10:16 AM   
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