Upgrading question (older PC): 6200OC or 6800GT?
[b]Hi everyone

I am in need of a newer graphics card (currently using fx5200), because I need better performance (esp. shading) for a few newer games (Oblivion, SpellForce2).

I have an older PC- a Dell Dimension 4550. Here are my system specs:[/b]

Computer:
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
OS Service Pack Service Pack 2
DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)

Motherboard:
CPU Type Intel Pentium 4, 2533 MHz (19 x 133)
Motherboard Name Dell Dimension 4550
Motherboard Chipset Intel Brookdale i845PE
System Memory 1024 MB (DDR SDRAM)
BIOS Type Phoenix (04/22/03)
Communication Port Communications Port (COM1)
Communication Port ECP Printer Port (LPT1)

Display:
Video Adapter NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 (256 MB)
3D Accelerator nVIDIA GeForce FX 5200
Monitor Dell E772c [17" CRT] (6418034401FC)

Multimedia:
Audio Adapter Intel 82801DB ICH4 - AC'97 Audio Controller [A-1]

Storage:
IDE Controller Intel® 82801DB Ultra ATA Storage Controller - 24CB
Floppy Drive Floppy disk drive
Disk Drive IC35L060AVV207-0 (60 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/100)
Optical Drive LITEON DVD-ROM LTD163 (16x/48x DVD-ROM)
SMART Hard Disks Status OK

Partitions:
C: (NTFS) 57176 MB (20737 MB free)

Input:
Keyboard HID Keyboard Device
Mouse Microsoft PS/2 Port Mouse (IntelliPoint)

Network:
Network Adapter CNet PRO200 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter (128.192.188.4)
Network Adapter D-Link WUA-2340 USB Adapter (198.137.27.19)
Modem Conexant D850 56K V.9x DFVc Modem

[ Chassis ]

Chassis Properties:
Manufacturer Dell Computer Corporation
Serial Number 2900V21
Chassis Type Mini Tower

[b]One interesting point: between the two vendors, the overclocked 6200 and the 6800 GT are the same price ($159), so I am chiefly just looking at which is most feasible.

My concerns with the 6800 GT:
-power: can I support the higher wattage?
-size: can it fit into my machine?
-because of the older PC, will I get the full benefit of the newer technology?

Thank you for all your helps.[/b]
Hi everyone



I am in need of a newer graphics card (currently using fx5200), because I need better performance (esp. shading) for a few newer games (Oblivion, SpellForce2).



I have an older PC- a Dell Dimension 4550. Here are my system specs:




Computer:

Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

OS Service Pack Service Pack 2

DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)



Motherboard:

CPU Type Intel Pentium 4, 2533 MHz (19 x 133)

Motherboard Name Dell Dimension 4550

Motherboard Chipset Intel Brookdale i845PE

System Memory 1024 MB (DDR SDRAM)

BIOS Type Phoenix (04/22/03)

Communication Port Communications Port (COM1)

Communication Port ECP Printer Port (LPT1)



Display:

Video Adapter NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 (256 MB)

3D Accelerator nVIDIA GeForce FX 5200

Monitor Dell E772c [17" CRT] (6418034401FC)



Multimedia:

Audio Adapter Intel 82801DB ICH4 - AC'97 Audio Controller [A-1]



Storage:

IDE Controller Intel® 82801DB Ultra ATA Storage Controller - 24CB

Floppy Drive Floppy disk drive

Disk Drive IC35L060AVV207-0 (60 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/100)

Optical Drive LITEON DVD-ROM LTD163 (16x/48x DVD-ROM)

SMART Hard Disks Status OK



Partitions:

C: (NTFS) 57176 MB (20737 MB free)



Input:

Keyboard HID Keyboard Device

Mouse Microsoft PS/2 Port Mouse (IntelliPoint)



Network:

Network Adapter CNet PRO200 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter (128.192.188.4)

Network Adapter D-Link WUA-2340 USB Adapter (198.137.27.19)

Modem Conexant D850 56K V.9x DFVc Modem



[ Chassis ]



Chassis Properties:

Manufacturer Dell Computer Corporation

Serial Number 2900V21

Chassis Type Mini Tower



One interesting point: between the two vendors, the overclocked 6200 and the 6800 GT are the same price ($159), so I am chiefly just looking at which is most feasible.



My concerns with the 6800 GT:

-power: can I support the higher wattage?

-size: can it fit into my machine?

-because of the older PC, will I get the full benefit of the newer technology?



Thank you for all your helps.

#1
Posted 09/02/2006 10:41 PM   
In nVidia's number labeling system the first number is the generation number. The rest of the numbers are a loose refrence to the cards performance. A 6200 and a 5200 would be roughly analogous in terms of performance. If you're seeking full compatability with today's high-end games you need to be looking at the 7 series.

For about the same you can get a 7600GS from www.newegg.com and for a little more you can get a 7800GS.

Out of what you've listed, I would take the 6800, as the 6200 isn't going to give you much of a performance increase.

The only way to determine what your PSU can handle is to open up your case and check out the amperage on the +12V rail (just knowing the wattage is not enough). Then check to see how many amps the card needs.


Amorphis

[quote name='neyelo' date='Sep 2 2006, 02:41 PM'][b]Hi everyone

I am in need of a newer graphics card (currently using fx5200), because I need better performance (esp. shading) for a few newer games (Oblivion, SpellForce2).

I have an older PC- a Dell Dimension 4550. Here are my system specs:[/b]

Computer:
      Operating System                                  Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
      OS Service Pack                                  Service Pack 2
      DirectX                                          4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)

    Motherboard:
      CPU Type                                          Intel Pentium 4, 2533 MHz (19 x 133)
      Motherboard Name                                  Dell Dimension 4550
      Motherboard Chipset                              Intel Brookdale i845PE
      System Memory                                    1024 MB  (DDR SDRAM)
      BIOS Type                                        Phoenix (04/22/03)
      Communication Port                                Communications Port (COM1)
      Communication Port                                ECP Printer Port (LPT1)

    Display:
      Video Adapter                                    NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200  (256 MB)
      3D Accelerator                                    nVIDIA GeForce FX 5200
      Monitor                                          Dell E772c  [17" CRT]  (6418034401FC)

    Multimedia:
      Audio Adapter                                    Intel 82801DB ICH4 - AC'97 Audio Controller [A-1]

    Storage:
      IDE Controller                                    IntelĀ® 82801DB Ultra ATA Storage Controller - 24CB
      Floppy Drive                                      Floppy disk drive
      Disk Drive                                        IC35L060AVV207-0  (60 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/100)
      Optical Drive                                    LITEON DVD-ROM LTD163  (16x/48x DVD-ROM)
      SMART Hard Disks Status                          OK

    Partitions:
      C: (NTFS)                                        57176 MB (20737 MB free)

    Input:
      Keyboard                                          HID Keyboard Device
      Mouse                                            Microsoft PS/2 Port Mouse (IntelliPoint)

    Network:
      Network Adapter                                  CNet PRO200 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter  (128.192.188.4)
      Network Adapter                                  D-Link WUA-2340 USB Adapter  (198.137.27.19)
      Modem                                            Conexant D850 56K V.9x DFVc Modem

    [ Chassis ]

    Chassis Properties:
      Manufacturer                                      Dell Computer Corporation
      Serial Number                                    2900V21
      Chassis Type                                      Mini Tower

[b]One interesting point: between the two vendors, the overclocked 6200 and the 6800 GT are the same price ($159), so I am chiefly just looking at which is most feasible.

My concerns with the 6800 GT:
-power: can I support the higher wattage?
-size: can it fit into my machine?
-because of the older PC, will I get the full benefit of the newer technology?

Thank you for all your helps.[/b]
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In nVidia's number labeling system the first number is the generation number. The rest of the numbers are a loose refrence to the cards performance. A 6200 and a 5200 would be roughly analogous in terms of performance. If you're seeking full compatability with today's high-end games you need to be looking at the 7 series.



For about the same you can get a 7600GS from www.newegg.com and for a little more you can get a 7800GS.



Out of what you've listed, I would take the 6800, as the 6200 isn't going to give you much of a performance increase.



The only way to determine what your PSU can handle is to open up your case and check out the amperage on the +12V rail (just knowing the wattage is not enough). Then check to see how many amps the card needs.





Amorphis



[quote name='neyelo' date='Sep 2 2006, 02:41 PM']Hi everyone



I am in need of a newer graphics card (currently using fx5200), because I need better performance (esp. shading) for a few newer games (Oblivion, SpellForce2).



I have an older PC- a Dell Dimension 4550. Here are my system specs:




Computer:

      Operating System                                  Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition

      OS Service Pack                                  Service Pack 2

      DirectX                                          4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)



    Motherboard:

      CPU Type                                          Intel Pentium 4, 2533 MHz (19 x 133)

      Motherboard Name                                  Dell Dimension 4550

      Motherboard Chipset                              Intel Brookdale i845PE

      System Memory                                    1024 MB  (DDR SDRAM)

      BIOS Type                                        Phoenix (04/22/03)

      Communication Port                                Communications Port (COM1)

      Communication Port                                ECP Printer Port (LPT1)



    Display:

      Video Adapter                                    NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200  (256 MB)

      3D Accelerator                                    nVIDIA GeForce FX 5200

      Monitor                                          Dell E772c  [17" CRT]  (6418034401FC)



    Multimedia:

      Audio Adapter                                    Intel 82801DB ICH4 - AC'97 Audio Controller [A-1]



    Storage:

      IDE Controller                                    IntelĀ® 82801DB Ultra ATA Storage Controller - 24CB

      Floppy Drive                                      Floppy disk drive

      Disk Drive                                        IC35L060AVV207-0  (60 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/100)

      Optical Drive                                    LITEON DVD-ROM LTD163  (16x/48x DVD-ROM)

      SMART Hard Disks Status                          OK



    Partitions:

      C: (NTFS)                                        57176 MB (20737 MB free)



    Input:

      Keyboard                                          HID Keyboard Device

      Mouse                                            Microsoft PS/2 Port Mouse (IntelliPoint)



    Network:

      Network Adapter                                  CNet PRO200 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter  (128.192.188.4)

      Network Adapter                                  D-Link WUA-2340 USB Adapter  (198.137.27.19)

      Modem                                            Conexant D850 56K V.9x DFVc Modem



    [ Chassis ]



    Chassis Properties:

      Manufacturer                                      Dell Computer Corporation

      Serial Number                                    2900V21

      Chassis Type                                      Mini Tower



One interesting point: between the two vendors, the overclocked 6200 and the 6800 GT are the same price ($159), so I am chiefly just looking at which is most feasible.



My concerns with the 6800 GT:

-power: can I support the higher wattage?

-size: can it fit into my machine?

-because of the older PC, will I get the full benefit of the newer technology?



Thank you for all your helps.


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#2
Posted 09/03/2006 02:20 AM   
for 6800GT or even better a 7600GT AGP, the big issue is PSU, you'll need 350-450 Watt quality PSU to ensure decent Amperage on the 12V rails needed to supply these cards.

is the PSU a standard ATX style that would be easy to upgrade?
for 6800GT or even better a 7600GT AGP, the big issue is PSU, you'll need 350-450 Watt quality PSU to ensure decent Amperage on the 12V rails needed to supply these cards.



is the PSU a standard ATX style that would be easy to upgrade?

Rig\\:-
ASUS P4S800D-X.
P4 3.2E @ 3.58Gig! with stock cooler.
Leadtek 7600GT AGP 600/770 GPU/MEM stock cooler.
Driver Revision 91.32
2x512 XLPT PC3200 2-2-2-5. running 2-3-3-6. (mobo limit)
Enermax 450Watt PSU .
Terratech 5.1 sound card, XP Pro O/S.
3DMark 2001 = 19895 3DMark 2003 = 12800
3DMark 2005 = 6009 3DMark 2006 = 3027
A fully Prime95 Stable System

#3
Posted 09/03/2006 09:01 AM   
[quote name='Mitch007' date='Sep 3 2006, 04:01 AM']for 6800GT or even better a 7600GT AGP, the big issue is PSU, you'll need 350-450 Watt quality PSU to ensure decent Amperage on the 12V rails needed to supply these cards.

is the PSU a standard ATX style that would be easy to upgrade?
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I'm afraid I can't find anyone selling a 7600GT in AGP form. (nvidia site, listing only PCI-E: [url="http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_7600.html)"]http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_7600.html)[/url]
[quote name='Mitch007' date='Sep 3 2006, 04:01 AM']for 6800GT or even better a 7600GT AGP, the big issue is PSU, you'll need 350-450 Watt quality PSU to ensure decent Amperage on the 12V rails needed to supply these cards.



is the PSU a standard ATX style that would be easy to upgrade?

[post="111184"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]




I'm afraid I can't find anyone selling a 7600GT in AGP form. (nvidia site, listing only PCI-E: http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_7600.html)

#4
Posted 09/03/2006 08:30 PM   
Well, I should say I did find one here:

[url="http://www.leadtek.com/3d_graphic/winfast_a7600_gttdh_1.html"]http://www.leadtek.com/3d_graphic/winfast_a7600_gttdh_1.html[/url]

but no one is selling it?
Well, I should say I did find one here:



http://www.leadtek.com/3d_graphic/winfast_a7600_gttdh_1.html



but no one is selling it?

#5
Posted 09/03/2006 08:36 PM   
overclockers.co.uk....

i got la eadtek, and they got mor coming in...
overclockers.co.uk....



i got la eadtek, and they got mor coming in...

Rig\\:-
ASUS P4S800D-X.
P4 3.2E @ 3.58Gig! with stock cooler.
Leadtek 7600GT AGP 600/770 GPU/MEM stock cooler.
Driver Revision 91.32
2x512 XLPT PC3200 2-2-2-5. running 2-3-3-6. (mobo limit)
Enermax 450Watt PSU .
Terratech 5.1 sound card, XP Pro O/S.
3DMark 2001 = 19895 3DMark 2003 = 12800
3DMark 2005 = 6009 3DMark 2006 = 3027
A fully Prime95 Stable System

#6
Posted 09/03/2006 10:29 PM   
I also found some coming in on newegg.com.

I will definetly need a new power supply, regardless of whether I go with a 7600GT or 7800GS. My current PSU is a standard Dell 250W (NPS 250KB-B). It does say this (which I presume alludes to how much amperage there is in the 12V rail):

+12V/14.0A -12V/1.0A

So what does this mean? More specifically, how much amperage on the 12V rail is required for a 7600GT and 7800GS?

Thanks for your continued assistance.
I also found some coming in on newegg.com.



I will definetly need a new power supply, regardless of whether I go with a 7600GT or 7800GS. My current PSU is a standard Dell 250W (NPS 250KB-B). It does say this (which I presume alludes to how much amperage there is in the 12V rail):



+12V/14.0A -12V/1.0A



So what does this mean? More specifically, how much amperage on the 12V rail is required for a 7600GT and 7800GS?



Thanks for your continued assistance.

#7
Posted 09/03/2006 11:22 PM   
18A at +12V rail

[url="http://www.rue-montgallet.com/prix/75012/fiche-technique/46081"]http://www.rue-montgallet.com/prix/75012/f...technique/46081[/url]

#8
Posted 09/03/2006 11:49 PM   
Also, does anyone have a relatively inexpensive PSU between 350W-400W as a recommendation?
Also, does anyone have a relatively inexpensive PSU between 350W-400W as a recommendation?

#9
Posted 09/04/2006 12:15 AM   
Buying a cheap PSU is a bad idea, you need to buy something that is Quality to stably power your system with a 7600GT or 6800GT. Manufacturers recommend specs are always to low, you should buy a psu with a minimum of 450W with the 12v rail(s) totaling more than 30amps, this will give you headroom for room for expansion in the future.

That psu you have now wouldnt power anything above a 5700 probably, I couldnt even get a 5900XT to run stably on a cheap 550W, 17amp on 12v PSU, so go with the best you can afford.
Buying a cheap PSU is a bad idea, you need to buy something that is Quality to stably power your system with a 7600GT or 6800GT. Manufacturers recommend specs are always to low, you should buy a psu with a minimum of 450W with the 12v rail(s) totaling more than 30amps, this will give you headroom for room for expansion in the future.



That psu you have now wouldnt power anything above a 5700 probably, I couldnt even get a 5900XT to run stably on a cheap 550W, 17amp on 12v PSU, so go with the best you can afford.

#10
Posted 09/04/2006 08:39 AM   
i would just say get a new comp
i would just say get a new comp

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CPU: i7 920@4.2GHz | GPU: x2 GALAXY GTX 480 SLI | MOBO: Evga X58 Classified | RAM: G.Skill Trident 6Gb | PSU: Enermax Revolution 85+ 950W

#11
Posted 09/04/2006 08:50 AM   
[quote name='Elite Bushido' date='Sep 4 2006, 08:50 AM']i would just say get a new comp
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you would
[quote name='Elite Bushido' date='Sep 4 2006, 08:50 AM']i would just say get a new comp

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you would

#12
Posted 09/04/2006 12:50 PM   
[quote name='Deeko' date='Sep 4 2006, 03:39 AM']Buying a cheap PSU is a bad idea, you need to buy something that is Quality to stably power your system with a 7600GT or 6800GT. Manufacturers recommend specs are always to low, you should buy a psu with a minimum of 450W with the 12v rail(s) totaling  more than 30amps, this will give you headroom for room for expansion in the future.

That psu you have now wouldnt power anything above a 5700 probably, I couldnt even get a 5900XT to run stably on a cheap 550W, 17amp on 12v PSU, so go with the best you can afford.
[right][post="111351"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote]


Thanks
[quote name='Deeko' date='Sep 4 2006, 03:39 AM']Buying a cheap PSU is a bad idea, you need to buy something that is Quality to stably power your system with a 7600GT or 6800GT. Manufacturers recommend specs are always to low, you should buy a psu with a minimum of 450W with the 12v rail(s) totaling  more than 30amps, this will give you headroom for room for expansion in the future.



That psu you have now wouldnt power anything above a 5700 probably, I couldnt even get a 5900XT to run stably on a cheap 550W, 17amp on 12v PSU, so go with the best you can afford.

[post="111351"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]






Thanks

#13
Posted 09/04/2006 02:32 PM   
[quote name='Elite Bushido' date='Sep 4 2006, 03:50 AM']i would just say get a new comp
[right][post="111354"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote]

Given my current specs:
P4 2.53Ghz
1 gig DDR RAM
50 GB HDD (I have only 27 gigs used)

I don't agree that buying a new computer would be most cost-effective, now or in the future. Between a GeForce 7 series (~$200 on newegg) and a 400-450W PSU (~$80 on newegg), the upgrade cost for a good 2 or 3 years is almost $300.

On the other hand, most machines that ship with my current config (plus Windows, plus Office) or even lower specs, are $900+.
[quote name='Elite Bushido' date='Sep 4 2006, 03:50 AM']i would just say get a new comp

[post="111354"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]




Given my current specs:

P4 2.53Ghz

1 gig DDR RAM

50 GB HDD (I have only 27 gigs used)



I don't agree that buying a new computer would be most cost-effective, now or in the future. Between a GeForce 7 series (~$200 on newegg) and a 400-450W PSU (~$80 on newegg), the upgrade cost for a good 2 or 3 years is almost $300.



On the other hand, most machines that ship with my current config (plus Windows, plus Office) or even lower specs, are $900+.

#14
Posted 09/04/2006 02:44 PM   
an $80 PSU sounds like a mid range model too me, as long as it pack thge punch with Amps delivery you should be ok....

and yes right now i'd upgrade in your shoes

i started with a home build MSI 645 Ultra mobo, with a few second hand purchases and a couple of new graphics cards, i still got a pretty good rig
an $80 PSU sounds like a mid range model too me, as long as it pack thge punch with Amps delivery you should be ok....



and yes right now i'd upgrade in your shoes



i started with a home build MSI 645 Ultra mobo, with a few second hand purchases and a couple of new graphics cards, i still got a pretty good rig

Rig\\:-
ASUS P4S800D-X.
P4 3.2E @ 3.58Gig! with stock cooler.
Leadtek 7600GT AGP 600/770 GPU/MEM stock cooler.
Driver Revision 91.32
2x512 XLPT PC3200 2-2-2-5. running 2-3-3-6. (mobo limit)
Enermax 450Watt PSU .
Terratech 5.1 sound card, XP Pro O/S.
3DMark 2001 = 19895 3DMark 2003 = 12800
3DMark 2005 = 6009 3DMark 2006 = 3027
A fully Prime95 Stable System

#15
Posted 09/04/2006 02:59 PM   
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