FPS drops in hl 2 and cs:s
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I bought a 6800 Ultra couple of days ago just so i could play hl2 and cs:s. For some reason i get really bad drops in fps. In HL2 i can get anywhere between 10 and 180 fps. When there are a lot of characters on the screen, eg when ure ant lions are fighting for you in Nova Prospekt, it goes down to 10 fps. In CS:S i get anywhere from 20-100 fps. In the stress test i got 102.5 fps average. Whenever i get a large number of players on the screen, like in HL2, i get drops to 20fps. Been reading around and most 6800GT users get 150 fps and drops to 50 fps. When i turn off all the AA and Anisotropic filtering and lower the resolution to 640X480 i get the same drops. Seems unusual to me :wacko:

My PC stats:
Intel P4 3.0 GHz (hyper threaded 800FSB)
2 X 512 DDR RAM (In dual channel)
Gigabyte 8IK1100 (revision 1)
Nvidia 6800 Ultra (OEM, hasnt been overclocked or anything)
Top Power 600Watts (I bought this just for that video card
80Gig 7200RPM Seagate HDD

Did a 3dmark05 test and got:
5219 3dmarks

Would gladly appreciate any help :'(
I bought a 6800 Ultra couple of days ago just so i could play hl2 and cs:s. For some reason i get really bad drops in fps. In HL2 i can get anywhere between 10 and 180 fps. When there are a lot of characters on the screen, eg when ure ant lions are fighting for you in Nova Prospekt, it goes down to 10 fps. In CS:S i get anywhere from 20-100 fps. In the stress test i got 102.5 fps average. Whenever i get a large number of players on the screen, like in HL2, i get drops to 20fps. Been reading around and most 6800GT users get 150 fps and drops to 50 fps. When i turn off all the AA and Anisotropic filtering and lower the resolution to 640X480 i get the same drops. Seems unusual to me :wacko:



My PC stats:

Intel P4 3.0 GHz (hyper threaded 800FSB)

2 X 512 DDR RAM (In dual channel)

Gigabyte 8IK1100 (revision 1)

Nvidia 6800 Ultra (OEM, hasnt been overclocked or anything)

Top Power 600Watts (I bought this just for that video card

80Gig 7200RPM Seagate HDD



Did a 3dmark05 test and got:

5219 3dmarks



Would gladly appreciate any help :'(

#1
Posted 04/05/2005 08:07 AM   
Ur way not alone, look in the hardware Geewiz group. Apparently this is a major issue with lots of 6600(GT) and 6800(GT) cards, myself inclusive.

Got a 6600GT and get 67 in stresstest but actual online play gives me 10-20fps, way unplayable.

No solution yet, and I kinda believe someone has released a bad batch of GPUs or made a design flaw.

TBH this just proved my fear of switching from Ati to Nvidia.
Ur way not alone, look in the hardware Geewiz group. Apparently this is a major issue with lots of 6600(GT) and 6800(GT) cards, myself inclusive.



Got a 6600GT and get 67 in stresstest but actual online play gives me 10-20fps, way unplayable.



No solution yet, and I kinda believe someone has released a bad batch of GPUs or made a design flaw.



TBH this just proved my fear of switching from Ati to Nvidia.

#2
Posted 04/05/2005 10:00 AM   
Sigh :unsure:
Is Nvidia looking into this at all?

Wishing i had bought an x800 like my friends told me to. But i love Nvidia /tearywave.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':tearywave:' />
had to stick to my ties :P

That's the biggest load of crap i've ever written
Sigh :unsure:

Is Nvidia looking into this at all?



Wishing i had bought an x800 like my friends told me to. But i love Nvidia /tearywave.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':tearywave:' />

had to stick to my ties :P



That's the biggest load of crap i've ever written

#3
Posted 04/05/2005 10:41 AM   
Are you using the stock cooling? This might not be very important but i used to have the same problem upgraded my cooling and my FPS seems to be more consistent.
Are you using the stock cooling? This might not be very important but i used to have the same problem upgraded my cooling and my FPS seems to be more consistent.

#4
Posted 04/06/2005 11:48 PM   
Personally, I think it''s sort of a corporate BS issue. My ATI Radeon 9600 performed better in some cases (cs:s and hl2) than my Geforce 6800 does... can anybody say that ATI PAID OFF VALVE? Oops...
Personally, I think it''s sort of a corporate BS issue. My ATI Radeon 9600 performed better in some cases (cs:s and hl2) than my Geforce 6800 does... can anybody say that ATI PAID OFF VALVE? Oops...

#5
Posted 04/06/2005 11:50 PM   
It is a bug in the Nvidia driver. Have the exact same problem with many games, and is going to deliver it back to retailer, since Nvidia lacks in commenting the problem and fixing it.

Ig you see my posts, youll notice I tested the game Enemy Territory under Windows and Linux, to test if it was either faulty card or card design or driver problem.

In Linux I achieved double of FPS than in Windows.

Problem is though Ive tested tons of Windows drivers and havent found one single that was stable enough to fix it, so basically fed up.
It is a bug in the Nvidia driver. Have the exact same problem with many games, and is going to deliver it back to retailer, since Nvidia lacks in commenting the problem and fixing it.



Ig you see my posts, youll notice I tested the game Enemy Territory under Windows and Linux, to test if it was either faulty card or card design or driver problem.



In Linux I achieved double of FPS than in Windows.



Problem is though Ive tested tons of Windows drivers and havent found one single that was stable enough to fix it, so basically fed up.

#6
Posted 04/07/2005 10:42 AM   
Same here. I just upgraded from an ATI 9250 to an nVidia 6600GT (AGP) and the difference is... irking.

30-40 fps (70 in the corners) - ATI 9250 (Sapphire)
15-55 fps (90 in the corners) - nVidia 6600GT (Xfx)
Going from a $60 card to a $280 card you can probably see why I'm not happy.

Other interesting points:
- It doesn't seem to matter what resolution or quality options I set, the fps or image quality hardly changes. (and yes, the drivers are set to Application controlled, all of them).
- The textures looked way nicer on the lowest setting with the ATI card than they do now set at the highest with the nVidia card.
- As a Canadian, I've already forsaken my friends by buying a non Canadian made GPU, and now I get spit in the face from both sides.

System:
K7 Via chipset 166Mhz, 2066MHz AMD Athlon Barton 2800+, Samsung memory, 512MB*2 @333Mhz

Having said all that- Should I return the card for cash to buy an ATI card? Should I fix some other aspect of my system (replace a 512MB for a 1024MB stick)? Should I change the timings on my memory? Should I upgrade to the 400MHz compatible 2800+ processor and sell the one I have (my motherboard does support it)? Should I wait for nVidia to produce a driver that fixes the instability of the 3d, the lackluster performance of rendering anything 2d, the terrible texturing, and possibly enables me to reduce the settings for more fps? I mean come on, you can't play CS:S at 15fps!
Same here. I just upgraded from an ATI 9250 to an nVidia 6600GT (AGP) and the difference is... irking.



30-40 fps (70 in the corners) - ATI 9250 (Sapphire)

15-55 fps (90 in the corners) - nVidia 6600GT (Xfx)

Going from a $60 card to a $280 card you can probably see why I'm not happy.



Other interesting points:

- It doesn't seem to matter what resolution or quality options I set, the fps or image quality hardly changes. (and yes, the drivers are set to Application controlled, all of them).

- The textures looked way nicer on the lowest setting with the ATI card than they do now set at the highest with the nVidia card.

- As a Canadian, I've already forsaken my friends by buying a non Canadian made GPU, and now I get spit in the face from both sides.



System:

K7 Via chipset 166Mhz, 2066MHz AMD Athlon Barton 2800+, Samsung memory, 512MB*2 @333Mhz



Having said all that- Should I return the card for cash to buy an ATI card? Should I fix some other aspect of my system (replace a 512MB for a 1024MB stick)? Should I change the timings on my memory? Should I upgrade to the 400MHz compatible 2800+ processor and sell the one I have (my motherboard does support it)? Should I wait for nVidia to produce a driver that fixes the instability of the 3d, the lackluster performance of rendering anything 2d, the terrible texturing, and possibly enables me to reduce the settings for more fps? I mean come on, you can't play CS:S at 15fps!

#7
Posted 05/04/2005 08:02 AM   
Same problem here,

My card also gets up to 95 C, NO BULL that's straight form nVidia control panel! when running CS:S

I'm concerned something's wrong with my card :(
Same problem here,



My card also gets up to 95 C, NO BULL that's straight form nVidia control panel! when running CS:S



I'm concerned something's wrong with my card :(

System specs:
eVGA GF 6800 gt 256MB
AMD Athlon 64 3200+
Gigabyte GA-K8NS-Pro w/ nForce 3 250
2x512 MB Corsair Value Select DDR 400
420 Watt Thermaltake Pwr Supply
Windows XP-SP2

#8
Posted 05/04/2005 11:48 PM   
Y'all did a reformat after installing new hardware right ? ;)
Y'all did a reformat after installing new hardware right ? ;)

SPECS:
AMD Athlon64 3800+ (Newcastle) @Stock
Abit AV8-3RD EYE rev 1.2
1GB Corsair TwinX 3200 2-2-2-5 1t
Sparkle 6800GT @418/1145 1.4V NV5Arctic Cooler
Forceware 71.89
Antec TruePower 550
2XWD 160 SATA HDs

3Dmark05 5832
3Dmark03 13109
Aquamark 72,421

#9
Posted 05/09/2005 01:24 AM   
I don't believe I did, I've been meaning to lately, got another issue that I want to try and take care of. I would be amazed if that was the cureall to this problem...
I don't believe I did, I've been meaning to lately, got another issue that I want to try and take care of. I would be amazed if that was the cureall to this problem...

System specs:
eVGA GF 6800 gt 256MB
AMD Athlon 64 3200+
Gigabyte GA-K8NS-Pro w/ nForce 3 250
2x512 MB Corsair Value Select DDR 400
420 Watt Thermaltake Pwr Supply
Windows XP-SP2

#10
Posted 05/09/2005 11:35 PM   
[quote name='Ice_Berge_00' date='May 10 2005, 12:35 AM']I don't believe I did, I've been meaning to lately, got another issue that I want to try and take care of.  I would be amazed if that was the cureall to this problem...
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i use 6600GT and get solid 60- 130fps all the time, there is a thing with Nvidia and ATI cards wen it comes to HL2, ul have to look around for a link, but there is a program called 3D analyze which disguises your nvidia card so that the game thinks it is a ATI card, it was shown to increase fps by i think 15%, good luck,
[quote name='Ice_Berge_00' date='May 10 2005, 12:35 AM']I don't believe I did, I've been meaning to lately, got another issue that I want to try and take care of.  I would be amazed if that was the cureall to this problem...

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i use 6600GT and get solid 60- 130fps all the time, there is a thing with Nvidia and ATI cards wen it comes to HL2, ul have to look around for a link, but there is a program called 3D analyze which disguises your nvidia card so that the game thinks it is a ATI card, it was shown to increase fps by i think 15%, good luck,

#11
Posted 05/10/2005 12:31 PM   
[quote name='Bolter2' date='May 10 2005, 01:31 PM']i use 6600GT and get solid 60- 130fps all the time, there is a thing with Nvidia and ATI cards wen it comes to HL2, ul have to look around for a link, but there is a program called 3D analyze which disguises your nvidia card so that the game thinks it is a ATI card, it was shown to increase fps by i think 15%, good luck,
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There are a few threads over at the steampowered forums regarding 3D Analyze.

Some say it may result in a VAC2 ban when it comes out as it modifies a few hl files.

Perhaps its best to stay away from 3danalyze.
[quote name='Bolter2' date='May 10 2005, 01:31 PM']i use 6600GT and get solid 60- 130fps all the time, there is a thing with Nvidia and ATI cards wen it comes to HL2, ul have to look around for a link, but there is a program called 3D analyze which disguises your nvidia card so that the game thinks it is a ATI card, it was shown to increase fps by i think 15%, good luck,

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There are a few threads over at the steampowered forums regarding 3D Analyze.



Some say it may result in a VAC2 ban when it comes out as it modifies a few hl files.



Perhaps its best to stay away from 3danalyze.

#12
Posted 05/11/2005 05:41 PM   
Yeah, I used driver cleaner to wipe out my old ATI drivers and nVidia drivers. That seems to have help a bit. I'm not holding above 45 fps on Aztec in the hardest (graphically) spots.

I think I'll try to reformat this weekend, but we'll see
Yeah, I used driver cleaner to wipe out my old ATI drivers and nVidia drivers. That seems to have help a bit. I'm not holding above 45 fps on Aztec in the hardest (graphically) spots.



I think I'll try to reformat this weekend, but we'll see

System specs:
eVGA GF 6800 gt 256MB
AMD Athlon 64 3200+
Gigabyte GA-K8NS-Pro w/ nForce 3 250
2x512 MB Corsair Value Select DDR 400
420 Watt Thermaltake Pwr Supply
Windows XP-SP2

#13
Posted 05/12/2005 04:34 AM   
Yeah well ive tried a number of different things. Cleaned out ATI drivers. If formatting fixes the problem plz tell me. Ive also noticed a significant stuttering problem. Do u guys get this weird stutter, as if a few frames have been skipped. My FPS drops to 30, thats pretty odd for 6800 Ultra (AGP). It also happens wen i change resolutions and lower all t he settings.

Thanx
Luke
Yeah well ive tried a number of different things. Cleaned out ATI drivers. If formatting fixes the problem plz tell me. Ive also noticed a significant stuttering problem. Do u guys get this weird stutter, as if a few frames have been skipped. My FPS drops to 30, thats pretty odd for 6800 Ultra (AGP). It also happens wen i change resolutions and lower all t he settings.



Thanx

Luke

#14
Posted 05/15/2005 01:40 AM   
Formatting *may* fix the problem, and at the least it won't make it any worse. The stuttering issue can generally be resolved by downloading the PCILatency tool from [url="http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=951"]http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=951[/url] and setting the AGP latency to 64, also some people have reported good results by turning on/off fastwrites. And lastly you should try out some of the later beta drivers namely 71.89 [url="http://ftp%3a%2f/download.nvidia.com/Windows/71.89/71.89_win2kxp_english.exe"]ftp://download.nvidia.com/Windows/71.89/7...kxp_english.exe[/url]
Formatting *may* fix the problem, and at the least it won't make it any worse. The stuttering issue can generally be resolved by downloading the PCILatency tool from http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=951 and setting the AGP latency to 64, also some people have reported good results by turning on/off fastwrites. And lastly you should try out some of the later beta drivers namely 71.89 ftp://download.nvidia.com/Windows/71.89/7...kxp_english.exe

SPECS:
AMD Athlon64 3800+ (Newcastle) @Stock
Abit AV8-3RD EYE rev 1.2
1GB Corsair TwinX 3200 2-2-2-5 1t
Sparkle 6800GT @418/1145 1.4V NV5Arctic Cooler
Forceware 71.89
Antec TruePower 550
2XWD 160 SATA HDs

3Dmark05 5832
3Dmark03 13109
Aquamark 72,421

#15
Posted 05/16/2005 09:46 PM   
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