Need Your Help! FPS Drops & Stuttering on High-End PC
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[b][u][size="L"]UPDATE 3:[/size][/u][/b] [b][u]BAD NEWS![/u][/b] Windows 7 HP SP1 didn't help in anyway. =( I did a fresh install of Windows 7 with formatting previous OS drive (C:), then installed all the necessary Win7 (x64) service updates and drivers: GPU, LAN, Audio, Chipset, SATA, NVMe SSD, DirectX & Visual C++. Configured NVIDIA driver to previous Win10 config, reinstalled MSI AB & RTSS and load custom profiles from my backup. [b]Also, I've cleared CMOS and reconfigured UEFI with the following "Custom Default" settings:[/b] - Enabled #1 XMP, Sync All Cores "Auto" - Configured fans - Change PCIEX4_3 & M.2_2 to X4 speed - Disable unnecessary SATA ports, fans, lights and other garbage [b]Windows 7 changes:[/b] - High Performance Mode - Disabled all the startup items - Disabled built-in AV and firewall - Disable all reminders in Action Center In GTA 5 (no FPS cap) I've noticed the same issues with frame time spikes and drops when pressing RMB when being in a vehicle. With capped FPS there were no problems as before installing Win7. In The Witcher 3 I noticed almost constant 100% GPU utilization and the same spikes. On Win10 there weren't such a frequent MAX GPU utilization, only in high loaded areas. Now, I'm pretty scared of all this cr*p even in well run Win7 OS. [b]GTA 5 logs:[/b] https://drive.google.com/open?id=15NAhU33h4mXKBqXfU6aOGq4aMlPRBFgs [b]The Witcher 3 logs:[/b] https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-9U66th5eAAnMJd9hrkjZCHxTUISKG-T Any advice, if possible in such a creepy situation? [b][u][size="L"]UPDATE 2:[/size][/u][/b] [b]So, I have recently retested GTA 5 performance with the following tweaks:[/b] - Downclock the CPU to 3,700 MHz - Disable Hyper Threading and Intel VT - Disable ASUS Multi-core Enhancement - Disable all the C & P states - Disable Base Clock & PCI-E Spread Spectrum - Disable HPET using cmd command and the Device Manager - Enable Threaded Optimization in NVIDIA Control Panel I noticed more frametime spikes and long stuttering after applying mentioned tweaks without any FPS lock. [b]But[/b], with 150 FPS lock there was no drops or any similar issues in GTA 5. [b]MSI AB Hardware Monitor Logs (with & without FPS lock):[/b] https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jmoWxPj0rZ73qYA4noabaeDX_PSw840j?usp=sharing [b]LatencyMon during game without FPS cap:[/b] https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1gim1F9ypbhXzjr4GxSER56b_rapZBDaO?usp=sharing [u][b][size="L"]UPDATE 1:[/size][/b][/u] [b]Just an hour ago I did:[/b] 1. Disconnect my Aorus GTX 1080 Ti physically from the motherboard. 2. Uninstall NVIDIA Driver 391.35 with Display Driver Uninstaller. 3. Switch to the Intel's Integrated Graphics, download and install the latest Intel VGA driver. 4. Lower all GTA 5 graphics settings to minimum and set 800*680 screen resolution. 5. Start playing. The average performance was about 72 FPS. But drops and frame time spikes still happened at lowest possible graphics settings with 800*680 resolution! I'm really disappointed. Issue didn't go away even WITHOUT GPU and NVIDIA driver. Then I opened the Latency Monitor and started playing GTA 5 again. After 5 minutes of gameplay I switched to LatencyMon and noticed that highest DPC latency was about 202 ms (instead of normal 30-90 ms) for this driver [b]"Wdf01000.sys - Kernel Mode Driver Framework Runtime, Microsoft Corporation"[/b]. I think that WIndows 10 is the culprit but not 100% sure. You can check the MSI Afterburner GTA 5 log.hml available in the Google Drive folder: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14DrbFKVLNyiAG4zBtAWWF6soUT91ApyY?usp=sharing [b][size="L"]Hi community,[/size][/b] It's sad to say, but there are serious FPS drops/spikes/freeze and micro stuttering in almost all the games on my new self-built high-end PC with Intel i7 8700K + Aorus NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti. [b][size="M"][color="green"][u]Please Note:[/u][/color][/size][/b] 1. PC specifications, Windows 10 & Software configurations are below in this topic. 2. I use Google Drive for image/docs hosting instead of other specialized sites in terms of security (sorry Imgur fans). 3. All images, screenshots and documents mentioned in this topic are stored in the shared Google Drive folder available at the following link: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1PYf2NOVn0sOlgkVLgBFN7rZHDgm9ZUM9?usp=sharing 4. If you don't see some items in Google Drive folder, try signing in with your Google account. I hope you have it. 5. If you can't open links or view spoilers in this topic, try signing up. [b][size="M"][color="orange"][u]Warning:[/u][/color][/size][/b] I figured out that only with NVIDIA 388.13 Driver MSI Afterburner's "Power" monitoring option cause enormous FPS drops and especially stuttering in absolutely any game every time MSI AB refresh values in hardware monitor. This depends directly on hardware polling period in AB settings. Therefore, I recommend you to disable "Power" monitoring feature to prevent issue with future or other NVIDIA drivers. [b][size="L"]Introduction[/size][/b] FPS drops/stutters are very noticeable in GTA 5, The Witcher 3 and War Thunder (very laggy hangar). There are almost no drops in recently released World of Tanks 1.0. Every game's graphics settings are set to Max/Ultra values without any type of sync or FPS lock. All PC hardware have been purchased from trusted local vendors with original seal and warranty from the official manufacturer. PC was precisely built by me without any mistakes, with all the manual/PC building guides requirements. Enough intro, let's dig in! [b][size="L"]GTA 5 — FPS Drops/Stuttering[/size][/b] I have read that I'm not the first player who catch these kinds of issues. But this Rockstar child is especially laggy on my rig. FPS drops occur after each 1-2 minutes of gameplay with high average FPS, particularly noticeable when flying and aiming at the police helicopters on the background of the skybox. Also I know that GTA 5 game engine doesn't allow more than 188 FPS. For the first time, I thought that the game is just the culprit because of the 188 FPS engine lock and Grand Theft Auto 5 porting from consoles. But now I'm think that troubles arise due to software or much worse hardware fault. [b][size="M"]FPS Drops: [/size][/b] https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1n8XO6bJQ_77TaC5ZGGTidgfrHH75Pkwa?usp=sharing [b][size="M"]MSI Afterburner Graphs: [/size][/b] https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jEWidv5I0g7j0B2S7dEbiR2vRi6fduFC?usp=sharing [b][size="M"]GTA 5 Graphics Settings: [/size][/b] https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/10aCAmFWNARyXWZbNvzcq4PhYH_3L6egV?usp=sharing [b][size="L"]The Witcher 3 — FPS Drops/Stuttering[/size][/b] Well, I didn't expect any problems with this CD Projekt great-optimized masterpiece game due to very positive feedback on all game platforms and tons of articles like "The most optimized game ever". Unfortunately, of course, not on my rig. Drops are rarely and less noticeable compared with Grand Theft Auto but they ARE, and this an issue. Usually, I notice them while moving, Roach riding or fighting with monsters and guards. And the biggest sorrow is that there is no workaround for this awesome game. [b][size="M"]FPS Drops: [/size][/b] https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1c6ELIfJnD3CEdkKHOQplR_SUPPYtI0xM?usp=sharing [b][size="M"]MSI Afterburner Graphs: [/size][/b] https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Vm0KTIQtvVrbtmIPP9dZtcoeO3fFlil-?usp=sharing [b][size="M"]The Witcher 3 Graphics Settings: [/size][/b] https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Vxd6FRMoedT-lvn7F38-CnkPNZULEp85?usp=sharing [b][size="L"]World of Tanks 1.0 — FPS Drops Only[/size][/b] What about this MMO, I didn't catch any spikes up to yesterday evening, when I decided to play a test battle to show that only one game can run smoothly on my high-end PC without any issues. But what was my disappointment when I found out that WOT wasn't as seamless as I expected. I noticed only one drop to 18.7 FPS after 8 minutes of battle. It's the first huge FPS drop in the last month playing WOT. Till this moment the maximum frames drawdown wasn't below 53.8 FPS and it only happened after my tank was destroyed. WOT graphics settings was set to Ultra preset and 100% 3D Render Resolution without any other changes. Screenshots are not needed there. Also, I missed a moment of FPS drop and didn't have time to take a screenshot, so there are only MSI AB graphs. [b][size="M"]MSI Afterburner Graphs: [/size][/b] https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1VFcBiO9sL62leixwwPKJiEGzta9K6SaS?usp=sharing [b][size="L"]What I tried to do and that DID NOT HELP any game:[/size][/b] 1. Marts_Sum's method with EmptyStandbyList on GeForce Forum: https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1004600/geforce-drivers/all-games-stuttering-with-fps-drops-since-windows-10-creators-update/post/5235141/#5235141 2. Set UEFI (BIOS) and Windows 10 to default settings. 3. Roll back to Windows 10 Anniversary Builds 1703, 1607 and fresh reinstall of 1709. 4. Disable/Enable: Windows Defender, Firewall, Cortana, Game DVR/Game Bar/Game Mode, all unnecessary services/drivers/startup items, indexing, consumers features, power modes (Balanced/High performance/Power saver), hibernation, SWAP & PAGE files, Fast Boot (in UEFI as well) and LAN by unpluging an Ethernet cable. 5. Reinstall/Reconfigure all possible old/new drivers and firmwares from official sites. Also tried to use DDU. 6. Overclock/Downclock GPU, CPU and turn on/off XMP Profile (3,200 MHz). 7. Install other overclocking software. 8. Uninstall all Windows 10 built-in apps. 9. Uninstall MSI Afterburner & RTSS. 10. Paused MSI AB Hardware Monitor and disable "Power" monitoring option. 11. Reinstall game from M.2 SSD to 7,200 RPM HDD and vice versa. 12. Lower down/max out graphics settings, screen resolution and refresh rate. 13. Run as Administrator and disable/enable Fullscreen Optimization. 14. Switch to integrated Intel® UHD Graphics 630. 15. Install GTA 5 and The Witcher 3 on NASA computer in the hope of getting rid of FPS drops and stuttering. :) [b][size="L"]What I tried to do and that SOMEHOW HELPS (unfortunately only for GTA 5):[/size][/b] 1. Lock up to 150 FPS and less using the Rivatuner Statistic Server. 2. Enable VSync. But I rarely notice some drops down to 32 FPS, better than falling down to 5-8 FPS but not worth it. Also, high input lag doesn't make this method a pill from all the illnesses. 3. Hope it will be soon thanks to your helpful tips. [b][size="L"]Conclusion[/size][/b] I hope that I gave you enough information to find out the reason. Unfortunately, I still haven't found any permanent way to play games without these killers of the game experience. Let it be a software fault, because I really don't want to send my hardware to a service center, and I definitely don't know which part of the PC causes problems. [b][size="L"]Questions[/size][/b] 1. So, dear readers, do you know any advices, workarounds and working fixes? 2. Or, maybe, any official confirmation from NVIDIA, Microsoft and Intel that is 100% related to their software failure instead of hardware defect? 3. If FPS drops and stuttering caused by hardware, сan you roughly determine what is the culprit and where to dig? [b]Thank you very much for the attention! I will be very grateful for any of your help![/b] [b][size="L"]With deepest respect, "Happy" High-End PC Owner[/size][/b] [b][size="L"]Hardware and Software Configurations[/size][/b] [b][size="M"]PC specifications:[/size][/b] MB: Asus Maximus X Hero CPU: Intel i7 8700K Kaby Lake Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 GPU: AORUS GeForce® GTX 1080 Ti 11G RAM: HyperX Predator 3200MHz DDR4 16GB (2x8GB in Dual Channel) SSD: Samsung 960 EVO NVMe M.2 250GB HDD: Western Digital Black 1TB (7200rpm 64MB) PS: Seasonic Prime 850W Platinum LCD: Acer Predator XB271HU (27", 2560 x 1440, 144 Hz, G-Sync) KeyB: HyperX Alloy Elite MX Blue (1,000 MHz) Mice: A4Tech Bloody V2 (1 ms, 1,000 MHz) Case: Corsair Graphite 780T Fans: (X5) Noctua NF-A14 PWM (140mm) & (X1) Noctua NF-S12A PWM (120mm) UPS: APC Back-UPS Pro 1200VA/720W [b][size="M"]DxDiag: [/size][/b] https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SuSemQ4Q6vDD01HSIjq3PLPQW8xTAF7n/view?usp=sharing [b][size="M"]Windows 10, UEFI (BIOS) and Software settings: [/size][/b] https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1CN1N33vfbgKA1TBAtKW63BjSmKfu78It?usp=sharing [b][size="M"]NVIDIA Control Panel settings: [/size][/b] https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1f_ZOY9XTqAJ1uOYuswf53iMOq5upNj8p?usp=sharing [b][size="M"]Benchmarks results: [/size][/b] https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/18sr4PuAD-0df5neNf-9sgyfEIyJ6jtCk?usp=sharing [size="M"][b]P.S.[/b][/size] Dear Administration, I'm new to this forum. If something is wrong with this topic or its location, please, correct it and let me know. Thank you!
UPDATE 3:

BAD NEWS!

Windows 7 HP SP1 didn't help in anyway. =(

I did a fresh install of Windows 7 with formatting previous OS drive (C:), then installed all the necessary Win7 (x64) service updates and drivers: GPU, LAN, Audio, Chipset, SATA, NVMe SSD, DirectX & Visual C++. Configured NVIDIA driver to previous Win10 config, reinstalled MSI AB & RTSS and load custom profiles from my backup.

Also, I've cleared CMOS and reconfigured UEFI with the following "Custom Default" settings:
- Enabled #1 XMP, Sync All Cores "Auto"
- Configured fans
- Change PCIEX4_3 & M.2_2 to X4 speed
- Disable unnecessary SATA ports, fans, lights and other garbage

Windows 7 changes:
- High Performance Mode
- Disabled all the startup items
- Disabled built-in AV and firewall
- Disable all reminders in Action Center

In GTA 5 (no FPS cap) I've noticed the same issues with frame time spikes and drops when pressing RMB when being in a vehicle. With capped FPS there were no problems as before installing Win7.

In The Witcher 3 I noticed almost constant 100% GPU utilization and the same spikes. On Win10 there weren't such a frequent MAX GPU utilization, only in high loaded areas.

Now, I'm pretty scared of all this cr*p even in well run Win7 OS.

GTA 5 logs: https://drive.google.com/open?id=15NAhU33h4mXKBqXfU6aOGq4aMlPRBFgs

The Witcher 3 logs: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-9U66th5eAAnMJd9hrkjZCHxTUISKG-T

Any advice, if possible in such a creepy situation?


UPDATE 2:

So, I have recently retested GTA 5 performance with the following tweaks:
- Downclock the CPU to 3,700 MHz
- Disable Hyper Threading and Intel VT
- Disable ASUS Multi-core Enhancement
- Disable all the C & P states
- Disable Base Clock & PCI-E Spread Spectrum
- Disable HPET using cmd command and the Device Manager
- Enable Threaded Optimization in NVIDIA Control Panel

I noticed more frametime spikes and long stuttering after applying mentioned tweaks without any FPS lock.
But, with 150 FPS lock there was no drops or any similar issues in GTA 5.

MSI AB Hardware Monitor Logs (with & without FPS lock):
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jmoWxPj0rZ73qYA4noabaeDX_PSw840j?usp=sharing

LatencyMon during game without FPS cap: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1gim1F9ypbhXzjr4GxSER56b_rapZBDaO?usp=sharing


UPDATE 1:

Just an hour ago I did:
1. Disconnect my Aorus GTX 1080 Ti physically from the motherboard.
2. Uninstall NVIDIA Driver 391.35 with Display Driver Uninstaller.
3. Switch to the Intel's Integrated Graphics, download and install the latest Intel VGA driver.
4. Lower all GTA 5 graphics settings to minimum and set 800*680 screen resolution.
5. Start playing.

The average performance was about 72 FPS. But drops and frame time spikes still happened at lowest possible graphics settings with 800*680 resolution! I'm really disappointed. Issue didn't go away even WITHOUT GPU and NVIDIA driver.

Then I opened the Latency Monitor and started playing GTA 5 again. After 5 minutes of gameplay I switched to LatencyMon and noticed that highest DPC latency was about 202 ms (instead of normal 30-90 ms) for this driver "Wdf01000.sys - Kernel Mode Driver Framework Runtime, Microsoft Corporation". I think that WIndows 10 is the culprit but not 100% sure.

You can check the MSI Afterburner GTA 5 log.hml available in the Google Drive folder: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14DrbFKVLNyiAG4zBtAWWF6soUT91ApyY?usp=sharing


Hi community,

It's sad to say, but there are serious FPS drops/spikes/freeze and micro stuttering in almost all the games on my new self-built high-end PC with Intel i7 8700K + Aorus NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti.

Please Note:
1. PC specifications, Windows 10 & Software configurations are below in this topic.
2. I use Google Drive for image/docs hosting instead of other specialized sites in terms of security (sorry Imgur fans).
3. All images, screenshots and documents mentioned in this topic are stored in the shared Google Drive folder available at the following link: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1PYf2NOVn0sOlgkVLgBFN7rZHDgm9ZUM9?usp=sharing
4. If you don't see some items in Google Drive folder, try signing in with your Google account. I hope you have it.
5. If you can't open links or view spoilers in this topic, try signing up.

Warning:
I figured out that only with NVIDIA 388.13 Driver MSI Afterburner's "Power" monitoring option cause enormous FPS drops and especially stuttering in absolutely any game every time MSI AB refresh values in hardware monitor. This depends directly on hardware polling period in AB settings. Therefore, I recommend you to disable "Power" monitoring feature to prevent issue with future or other NVIDIA drivers.

Introduction

FPS drops/stutters are very noticeable in GTA 5, The Witcher 3 and War Thunder (very laggy hangar). There are almost no drops in recently released World of Tanks 1.0. Every game's graphics settings are set to Max/Ultra values without any type of sync or FPS lock.

All PC hardware have been purchased from trusted local vendors with original seal and warranty from the official manufacturer. PC was precisely built by me without any mistakes, with all the manual/PC building guides requirements.

Enough intro, let's dig in!

GTA 5 — FPS Drops/Stuttering

I have read that I'm not the first player who catch these kinds of issues. But this Rockstar child is especially laggy on my rig. FPS drops occur after each 1-2 minutes of gameplay with high average FPS, particularly noticeable when flying and aiming at the police helicopters on the background of the skybox.

Also I know that GTA 5 game engine doesn't allow more than 188 FPS. For the first time, I thought that the game is just the culprit because of the 188 FPS engine lock and Grand Theft Auto 5 porting from consoles. But now I'm think that troubles arise due to software or much worse hardware fault.

FPS Drops: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1n8XO6bJQ_77TaC5ZGGTidgfrHH75Pkwa?usp=sharing

MSI Afterburner Graphs: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jEWidv5I0g7j0B2S7dEbiR2vRi6fduFC?usp=sharing

GTA 5 Graphics Settings: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/10aCAmFWNARyXWZbNvzcq4PhYH_3L6egV?usp=sharing

The Witcher 3 — FPS Drops/Stuttering

Well, I didn't expect any problems with this CD Projekt great-optimized masterpiece game due to very positive feedback on all game platforms and tons of articles like "The most optimized game ever". Unfortunately, of course, not on my rig.

Drops are rarely and less noticeable compared with Grand Theft Auto but they ARE, and this an issue. Usually, I notice them while moving, Roach riding or fighting with monsters and guards. And the biggest sorrow is that there is no workaround for this awesome game.

FPS Drops: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1c6ELIfJnD3CEdkKHOQplR_SUPPYtI0xM?usp=sharing

MSI Afterburner Graphs: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Vm0KTIQtvVrbtmIPP9dZtcoeO3fFlil-?usp=sharing

The Witcher 3 Graphics Settings: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Vxd6FRMoedT-lvn7F38-CnkPNZULEp85?usp=sharing

World of Tanks 1.0 — FPS Drops Only

What about this MMO, I didn't catch any spikes up to yesterday evening, when I decided to play a test battle to show that only one game can run smoothly on my high-end PC without any issues. But what was my disappointment when I found out that WOT wasn't as seamless as I expected.

I noticed only one drop to 18.7 FPS after 8 minutes of battle. It's the first huge FPS drop
in the last month playing WOT. Till this moment the maximum frames drawdown wasn't below 53.8 FPS and it only happened after my tank was destroyed.

WOT graphics settings was set to Ultra preset and 100% 3D Render Resolution without any other changes. Screenshots are not needed there. Also, I missed a moment of FPS drop and didn't have time to take a screenshot, so there are only MSI AB graphs.

MSI Afterburner Graphs: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1VFcBiO9sL62leixwwPKJiEGzta9K6SaS?usp=sharing

What I tried to do and that DID NOT HELP any game:

1. Marts_Sum's method with EmptyStandbyList on GeForce Forum: https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1004600/geforce-drivers/all-games-stuttering-with-fps-drops-since-windows-10-creators-update/post/5235141/#5235141
2. Set UEFI (BIOS) and Windows 10 to default settings.
3. Roll back to Windows 10 Anniversary Builds 1703, 1607 and fresh reinstall of 1709.
4. Disable/Enable: Windows Defender, Firewall, Cortana, Game DVR/Game Bar/Game Mode, all unnecessary services/drivers/startup items, indexing, consumers features, power modes (Balanced/High performance/Power saver), hibernation, SWAP & PAGE files, Fast Boot (in UEFI as well) and LAN by unpluging an Ethernet cable.
5. Reinstall/Reconfigure all possible old/new drivers and firmwares from official sites. Also tried to use DDU.
6. Overclock/Downclock GPU, CPU and turn on/off XMP Profile (3,200 MHz).
7. Install other overclocking software.
8. Uninstall all Windows 10 built-in apps.
9. Uninstall MSI Afterburner & RTSS.
10. Paused MSI AB Hardware Monitor and disable "Power" monitoring option.
11. Reinstall game from M.2 SSD to 7,200 RPM HDD and vice versa.
12. Lower down/max out graphics settings, screen resolution and refresh rate.
13. Run as Administrator and disable/enable Fullscreen Optimization.
14. Switch to integrated Intel® UHD Graphics 630.
15. Install GTA 5 and The Witcher 3 on NASA computer in the hope of getting rid of FPS drops and stuttering. :)

What I tried to do and that SOMEHOW HELPS (unfortunately only for GTA 5):

1. Lock up to 150 FPS and less using the Rivatuner Statistic Server.
2. Enable VSync. But I rarely notice some drops down to 32 FPS, better than falling down to 5-8 FPS but not worth it. Also, high input lag doesn't make this method a pill from all the illnesses.
3. Hope it will be soon thanks to your helpful tips.

Conclusion

I hope that I gave you enough information to find out the reason. Unfortunately, I still haven't found any permanent way to play games without these killers of the game experience.

Let it be a software fault, because I really don't want to send my hardware to a service center, and I definitely don't know which part of the PC causes problems.

Questions

1. So, dear readers, do you know any advices, workarounds and working fixes?
2. Or, maybe, any official confirmation from NVIDIA, Microsoft and Intel that is 100% related to their software failure instead of hardware defect?
3. If FPS drops and stuttering caused by hardware, сan you roughly determine what is the culprit and where to dig?

Thank you very much for the attention!
I will be very grateful for any of your help!


With deepest respect,
"Happy" High-End PC Owner




Hardware and Software Configurations

PC specifications:

MB: Asus Maximus X Hero
CPU: Intel i7 8700K Kaby Lake
Cooler: Noctua NH-D15
GPU: AORUS GeForce® GTX 1080 Ti 11G
RAM: HyperX Predator 3200MHz DDR4 16GB (2x8GB in Dual Channel)
SSD: Samsung 960 EVO NVMe M.2 250GB
HDD: Western Digital Black 1TB (7200rpm 64MB)
PS: Seasonic Prime 850W Platinum
LCD: Acer Predator XB271HU (27", 2560 x 1440, 144 Hz, G-Sync)
KeyB: HyperX Alloy Elite MX Blue (1,000 MHz)
Mice: A4Tech Bloody V2 (1 ms, 1,000 MHz)
Case: Corsair Graphite 780T
Fans: (X5) Noctua NF-A14 PWM (140mm) & (X1) Noctua NF-S12A PWM (120mm)
UPS: APC Back-UPS Pro 1200VA/720W

DxDiag: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SuSemQ4Q6vDD01HSIjq3PLPQW8xTAF7n/view?usp=sharing

Windows 10, UEFI (BIOS) and Software settings: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1CN1N33vfbgKA1TBAtKW63BjSmKfu78It?usp=sharing

NVIDIA Control Panel settings: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1f_ZOY9XTqAJ1uOYuswf53iMOq5upNj8p?usp=sharing

Benchmarks results: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/18sr4PuAD-0df5neNf-9sgyfEIyJ6jtCk?usp=sharing



P.S. Dear Administration, I'm new to this forum. If something is wrong with this topic or its location, please, correct it and let me know. Thank you!

MB: Asus Maximus X Hero | CPU: Intel i7 8700K Coffee Lake | GPU: AORUS GeForce® GTX 1080 Ti 11G | RAM: HyperX Predator 3200MHz DDR4 16GB (2x8GB in Dual Channel) | SSD: Samsung 960 EVO NVMe M.2 250GB | HDD: Western Digital Black 1TB (7200rpm 64MB) | LCD: Acer Predator XB271HU (27", 2560 x 1440, 144 Hz, G-Sync) | PS: Seasonic Prime 850W Platinum | KeyB: HyperX Alloy Elite MX Blue (1,000 MHz) | Mice: A4Tech Bloody V2 (1 ms, 1,000 MHz) | UPS: APC Back-UPS Pro 1200VA/720W

#1
Posted 04/07/2018 07:17 PM   
What programs are using your GPU? What happens if you turn them off? I got rid of stuttering in OpenGL by closing them. [img]https://i.imgur.com/FxmKg7d.jpg[/img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/IiAuahe.jpg[/img]
What programs are using your GPU?
What happens if you turn them off? I got rid of stuttering in OpenGL by closing them.

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CPU= Core I7 2600k @ 4.4ghz GPU= GTX 1070 @2100/4400 Moderboard= Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H. RAM= 16GB DDR3 PC19200/2400MHz@2133MHz. Hardrives= Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD, Intel SSD 320 Series 160GB , 4 others. MONITOR=1 Samsung S27A950D 3D" MONITOR=2 Samsung 2693HM 25,5" MONITOR/Tv=3 LG 47lv355n-ZB 47". PSU= Corsair Newton R2 1000W. All in a Cooler Master CM Storm Stryker.

#2
Posted 04/07/2018 07:32 PM   
SuperTesla, thanks for your advice. But there are no unwanted programs using my GPU other than Chrome when I work with it.
SuperTesla, thanks for your advice. But there are no unwanted programs using my GPU other than Chrome when I work with it.

MB: Asus Maximus X Hero | CPU: Intel i7 8700K Coffee Lake | GPU: AORUS GeForce® GTX 1080 Ti 11G | RAM: HyperX Predator 3200MHz DDR4 16GB (2x8GB in Dual Channel) | SSD: Samsung 960 EVO NVMe M.2 250GB | HDD: Western Digital Black 1TB (7200rpm 64MB) | LCD: Acer Predator XB271HU (27", 2560 x 1440, 144 Hz, G-Sync) | PS: Seasonic Prime 850W Platinum | KeyB: HyperX Alloy Elite MX Blue (1,000 MHz) | Mice: A4Tech Bloody V2 (1 ms, 1,000 MHz) | UPS: APC Back-UPS Pro 1200VA/720W

#3
Posted 04/07/2018 07:54 PM   
Can you record more examples of frametime spikes in Afterburner but with CPU and GPU clock(s) also shown? You can try doing [b][u]everything[/u][/b] in this thread if you really want to try and isolate factors: [url]https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1043969/geforce-drivers/stuttering-frame-drops-troubleshooting-guide-amp-recommendations/[/url] PS - Your PC seems very similar to mine and I'm pretty confident we can resolve your frame drop/stuttering issue unless it's iherent within the game(s) you play.
Can you record more examples of frametime spikes in Afterburner but with CPU and GPU clock(s) also shown?

You can try doing everything in this thread if you really want to try and isolate factors:
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1043969/geforce-drivers/stuttering-frame-drops-troubleshooting-guide-amp-recommendations/

PS - Your PC seems very similar to mine and I'm pretty confident we can resolve your frame drop/stuttering issue unless it's iherent within the game(s) you play.

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#4
Posted 04/07/2018 10:47 PM   
[b]howiejc,[/b] I really appreciate your desire to help. But the screenshots already have frametime graph and CPU/GPU clocks. For example, I choose one GTA 5 MSI AB screenshot and mark the graphics you want: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ua0JKJ1V-T654Ax_GATJtV1z3-hBQH_P/view?usp=sharing Or do you mean to record more examples with all CPU clocks? If so, then I can tell you that I already did it 2 weeks ago and there was no CPU core's downclock. It's great that your PC seems like my's. Do you have the same issue or have you already solved this?
howiejc, I really appreciate your desire to help. But the screenshots already have frametime graph and CPU/GPU clocks.
For example, I choose one GTA 5 MSI AB screenshot and mark the graphics you want: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ua0JKJ1V-T654Ax_GATJtV1z3-hBQH_P/view?usp=sharing


Or do you mean to record more examples with all CPU clocks? If so, then I can tell you that I already did it 2 weeks ago and there was no CPU core's downclock.

It's great that your PC seems like my's. Do you have the same issue or have you already solved this?

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#5
Posted 04/08/2018 10:49 AM   
. Just a couple thoughts, not really going to get in on this one cause there is way to much information that I do not even know how to read..... If everything is showing it then the goal should be to step BACKwards to find the issue. If the problem is there on the Intel GPU, did you REmove the NVIDIA for that test? Did you remove the NVIDIA drivers for that test? After that test, it would be time to remove MORE hardware. If the only thing I need to reproduce this issue is: 1 stick of RAM Motherboard CPU w/Fan Intel Onboard Graphics 1 Monitor 1 SSD with Witcher3 | MSI Afterburner PSU Mouse | Keyboard Then thats All I would using. If the issue is still there, then youve narrowed it down more. The UPS, most UPS, has a USB. Did you remove that USB connection. In order to run the 3200MHz memory, you NEED to be OCing the CPU. If you are OCing the CPU and not at a conservative range between 3750-4500MHz, you might consider dropping it down. The CPU has to REmain above the 3701MHz for the system to be considered OCed. Otherwise the RAM needs to be manual set to a NO-OC speed and REmain there. (2666|2400|2133) In the BIOS, set the PCIE Link Speed to [Gen3] Disable items you are not using. Example, I have 6 SATA ports, only use 3, other 3 are disabled. UEFI | secure boot - Why? Tried without? I am also the type person that Disables DRIVER updating. I install all my drivers myself. I never trust that a Clean Install of Windows 7|8|10 has installed the drivers that I need. Good luck on this, it can be very frustrating, especially after the kind of money spent on this setup. Even if you send it to a Tech and they are able to solve it, within a month it could be back under a different cause. .
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Just a couple thoughts, not really going to get in on this one cause there is way to much information that I do not even know how to read.....


If everything is showing it then the goal should be to step BACKwards to find the issue.

If the problem is there on the Intel GPU, did you REmove the NVIDIA for that test? Did you remove the NVIDIA drivers for that test?

After that test, it would be time to remove MORE hardware.

If the only thing I need to reproduce this issue is:
1 stick of RAM
Motherboard
CPU w/Fan
Intel Onboard Graphics
1 Monitor
1 SSD with Witcher3 | MSI Afterburner
PSU
Mouse | Keyboard

Then thats All I would using. If the issue is still there, then youve narrowed it down more.




The UPS, most UPS, has a USB. Did you remove that USB connection.



In order to run the 3200MHz memory, you NEED to be OCing the CPU. If you are OCing the CPU and not at a conservative range between 3750-4500MHz, you might consider dropping it down.

The CPU has to REmain above the 3701MHz for the system to be considered OCed. Otherwise the RAM needs to be manual set to a NO-OC speed and REmain there. (2666|2400|2133)




In the BIOS, set the PCIE Link Speed to [Gen3]
Disable items you are not using. Example, I have 6 SATA ports, only use 3, other 3 are disabled.



UEFI | secure boot - Why? Tried without?



I am also the type person that Disables DRIVER updating. I install all my drivers myself. I never trust that a Clean Install of Windows 7|8|10 has installed the drivers that I need.





Good luck on this, it can be very frustrating, especially after the kind of money spent on this setup.

Even if you send it to a Tech and they are able to solve it, within a month it could be back under a different cause.


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My Opinion is no more important or right than yours. But if your using the LATEST drivers, go back to the prior set.

Piss Poor tech support blame all issues on drivers and assumes that your an idiot. Find a set that you know worked and see if the problem exists still.

""Don't f with it if it ain't broken!""
Constantly updating drivers is a good way to F'up the whole system.

If the driver has an issue, don't be a fool, remove it.

Just because you can, does not mean you should.

#6
Posted 04/08/2018 03:33 PM   
@Greybear, thanks for info. 1. Yes. I have disabled and even deleted NVIDIA driver through Device Manager while being on Intel GPU. 2. I even try to connect PC directly to an AC without UPS and its USB. 3. So, using XMP doesn't work without CPU OC'ed? I also tried to OC the CPU with XMP turned ON/OFF. Not helpful. 4. Of course I tried set Secure Boot to "Other OS" and "Windows UEFI Only". Doesn't help too. 5. I always disable driver auto updates with O&O ShutUp10 (you can find screenshots in shared Google Drive folder mentioned in main topic). ShutUp10 makes only registry changes, so it's couldn't be a culprit. I'll try to follow your advice. And even will unplug GPU from my rig. Thanks a lot for feed. P.S. Does NVIDIA support team view this forum and leave comments? Or GeForce is just full customer's "paradise"?
@Greybear, thanks for info.

1. Yes. I have disabled and even deleted NVIDIA driver through Device Manager while being on Intel GPU.
2. I even try to connect PC directly to an AC without UPS and its USB.
3. So, using XMP doesn't work without CPU OC'ed? I also tried to OC the CPU with XMP turned ON/OFF. Not helpful.
4. Of course I tried set Secure Boot to "Other OS" and "Windows UEFI Only". Doesn't help too.
5. I always disable driver auto updates with O&O ShutUp10 (you can find screenshots in shared Google Drive folder mentioned in main topic). ShutUp10 makes only registry changes, so it's couldn't be a culprit.

I'll try to follow your advice. And even will unplug GPU from my rig.

Thanks a lot for feed.

P.S.
Does NVIDIA support team view this forum and leave comments? Or GeForce is just full customer's "paradise"?

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#7
Posted 04/08/2018 06:44 PM   
[quote="Topic Starter"]@Greybear, thanks for info. 1. Yes. I have disabled and even deleted NVIDIA driver through Device Manager while being on Intel GPU. 2. I even try to connect PC directly to an AC without UPS and its USB. 3. So, using XMP doesn't work without CPU OC'ed? I also tried to OC the CPU with XMP turned ON/OFF. Not helpful. 4. Of course I tried set Secure Boot to "Other OS" and "Windows UEFI Only". Doesn't help too. 5. I always disable driver auto updates with O&O ShutUp10 (you can find screenshots in shared Google Drive folder mentioned in main topic). ShutUp10 makes only registry changes, so it's couldn't be a culprit. I'll try to follow your advice. And even will unplug GPU from my rig. Thanks a lot for feed. P.S. Does NVIDIA support team view this forum and leave comments? Or GeForce is just full customer's "paradise"? [/quote]It's very unlikely that any of those items will cause frame stuttering/drops. Also, your MB with the Z370 chipset and the 8700k can easily handle the XMP profile @ 3200MHz. Sorry, in haste I didn't look at the "3rd bar" of the graphs. In the future, it would be useful if you can provide the actual [b].HML file from Afterburner[/b] too. It's just a text file with all the data points so that others can load, view, take measurements, etc. I noticed on my system that setting the "[b]Refresh period[/b]" too low in RTSS could actually cause performance issues and "corrupt" the graphs. I set it to [b]200ms [/b]to avoid this and yet still capture frametime spikes. Now keep in mind that when recording this information and testing out games, you need to do so in areas within the game [b]where all the data has been loaded (objects, textures, level, etc.)[/b] [i]otherwise you can have stutter due to loading of these assets by design (how the game is coded)[/i]. Looking at your Witcher 3 graph, stuttering doesn't seem bad. Could you try moving around in a small area for an extended period of time and provide that .HML file?
Topic Starter said:@Greybear, thanks for info.

1. Yes. I have disabled and even deleted NVIDIA driver through Device Manager while being on Intel GPU.
2. I even try to connect PC directly to an AC without UPS and its USB.
3. So, using XMP doesn't work without CPU OC'ed? I also tried to OC the CPU with XMP turned ON/OFF. Not helpful.
4. Of course I tried set Secure Boot to "Other OS" and "Windows UEFI Only". Doesn't help too.
5. I always disable driver auto updates with O&O ShutUp10 (you can find screenshots in shared Google Drive folder mentioned in main topic). ShutUp10 makes only registry changes, so it's couldn't be a culprit.

I'll try to follow your advice. And even will unplug GPU from my rig.

Thanks a lot for feed.

P.S.
Does NVIDIA support team view this forum and leave comments? Or GeForce is just full customer's "paradise"?
It's very unlikely that any of those items will cause frame stuttering/drops.
Also, your MB with the Z370 chipset and the 8700k can easily handle the XMP profile @ 3200MHz.

Sorry, in haste I didn't look at the "3rd bar" of the graphs. In the future, it would be useful if you can provide the actual .HML file from Afterburner too. It's just a text file with all the data points so that others can load, view, take measurements, etc.

I noticed on my system that setting the "Refresh period" too low in RTSS could actually cause performance issues and "corrupt" the graphs. I set it to 200ms to avoid this and yet still capture frametime spikes.

Now keep in mind that when recording this information and testing out games, you need to do so in areas within the game where all the data has been loaded (objects, textures, level, etc.) otherwise you can have stutter due to loading of these assets by design (how the game is coded).

Looking at your Witcher 3 graph, stuttering doesn't seem bad. Could you try moving around in a small area for an extended period of time and provide that .HML file?

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#8
Posted 04/08/2018 08:43 PM   
[quote="howiejc"] Looking at your Witcher 3 graph, stuttering doesn't seem bad. Could you try moving around in a small area for an extended period of time and provide that .HML file?[/quote] Oh, sir, it's really great advice to log all data to .html file. Thanks for reminding. Will try with Witcher 3. P.S. If there, so what the reason of WOT 1.0 FPS drops? I remember that I didn't move, waiting for an enemy and suddenly caught a drop to 18.7 FPS. No camera moving just idle with no action on scene. Don't know what is the culprit of all these annoying issues. =(
howiejc said:
Looking at your Witcher 3 graph, stuttering doesn't seem bad. Could you try moving around in a small area for an extended period of time and provide that .HML file?

Oh, sir, it's really great advice to log all data to .html file. Thanks for reminding.
Will try with Witcher 3.

P.S.
If there, so what the reason of WOT 1.0 FPS drops? I remember that I didn't move, waiting for an enemy and suddenly caught a drop to 18.7 FPS. No camera moving just idle with no action on scene. Don't know what is the culprit of all these annoying issues. =(

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#9
Posted 04/08/2018 09:47 PM   
[u][b][size="L"]UPDATE 1:[/size][/b][/u] [b]Just an hour ago I did:[/b] 1. Disconnect my Aorus GTX 1080 Ti physically from the motherboard. 2. Uninstall NVIDIA Driver 391.35 with Display Driver Uninstaller. 3. Switch to the Intel's Integrated Graphics, download and install the latest Intel VGA driver. 4. Lower all GTA 5 graphics settings to minimum and set 800*680 screen resolution. 5. Start playing. The average performance was about 72 FPS. But drops and frame time spikes still happened at lowest possible graphics settings with 800*680 resolution! I'm really disappointed. Issue didn't go away even WITHOUT GPU and NVIDIA driver. Then I opened the Latency Monitor and started playing GTA 5 again. After 5 minutes of gameplay I switched to LatencyMon and noticed that highest DPC latency was about 202 ms (instead of normal 30-90 ms) for this driver [b]"Wdf01000.sys - Kernel Mode Driver Framework Runtime, Microsoft Corporation"[/b]. I think that WIndows 10 is the culprit but not 100% sure. You can check the MSI Afterburner GTA 5 log.hml available in the Google Drive folder: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14DrbFKVLNyiAG4zBtAWWF6soUT91ApyY?usp=sharing
UPDATE 1:

Just an hour ago I did:
1. Disconnect my Aorus GTX 1080 Ti physically from the motherboard.
2. Uninstall NVIDIA Driver 391.35 with Display Driver Uninstaller.
3. Switch to the Intel's Integrated Graphics, download and install the latest Intel VGA driver.
4. Lower all GTA 5 graphics settings to minimum and set 800*680 screen resolution.
5. Start playing.

The average performance was about 72 FPS. But drops and frame time spikes still happened at lowest possible graphics settings with 800*680 resolution! I'm really disappointed. Issue didn't go away even WITHOUT GPU and NVIDIA driver.

Then I opened the Latency Monitor and started playing GTA 5 again. After 5 minutes of gameplay I switched to LatencyMon and noticed that highest DPC latency was about 202 ms (instead of normal 30-90 ms) for this driver "Wdf01000.sys - Kernel Mode Driver Framework Runtime, Microsoft Corporation". I think that WIndows 10 is the culprit but not 100% sure.

You can check the MSI Afterburner GTA 5 log.hml available in the Google Drive folder: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14DrbFKVLNyiAG4zBtAWWF6soUT91ApyY?usp=sharing

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#10
Posted 04/09/2018 07:22 PM   
Games are not perfect pieces of software with 100% efficiency. Plus modern titles are incredibly complex and many times they are constrained by factors such as release dates and money, so there will never be perfect optimization. Anyway, I took a look at those last 3 MSIAB files and there's like 1 clear drop, which could be a menu or something. Running the game off the DDR4 RAM is obviously not ideal but that is what happens without a dedicated GPU. You also seem to run Multicore Enhancement, i.e. 4.7GHz on all cores. If that's what you doing, I would say ditch it for the purpose of troubleshooting this, in fact, make sure you ditch all overclocks. You can add them in later after you're done with the frametime spikes. @greybear: You don't need to OC the 8700K to run XMP. You can simply enable the profile in BIOS and it will run. If you're lucky and you were smart and bought RAM that is on the QVL for the motherboard, it might run flawlessly out of the box. If you're not that smart and bought RAM that's not on the QVL (like I did...), you will probably spend the next month troubleshooting BSODs and manually entering timings and voltages until you get it right. To run the RAM at higher frequencies this platform overvolts things like the VCCSA/System Agent and the VCCIO, besides the increased DDR voltage. (Some?) Asus boards also enable the very dumb Multicore Enhancement with XMP, which might be the case here, it's retarded, it overvolts the CPU and it can be unstable under real stress conditions like Prime95. Hence one should discard it as a marketing gimmick and OC manually.
Games are not perfect pieces of software with 100% efficiency. Plus modern titles are incredibly complex and many times they are constrained by factors such as release dates and money, so there will never be perfect optimization.

Anyway, I took a look at those last 3 MSIAB files and there's like 1 clear drop, which could be a menu or something. Running the game off the DDR4 RAM is obviously not ideal but that is what happens without a dedicated GPU.

You also seem to run Multicore Enhancement, i.e. 4.7GHz on all cores. If that's what you doing, I would say ditch it for the purpose of troubleshooting this, in fact, make sure you ditch all overclocks. You can add them in later after you're done with the frametime spikes.

@greybear:

You don't need to OC the 8700K to run XMP. You can simply enable the profile in BIOS and it will run. If you're lucky and you were smart and bought RAM that is on the QVL for the motherboard, it might run flawlessly out of the box.
If you're not that smart and bought RAM that's not on the QVL (like I did...), you will probably spend the next month troubleshooting BSODs and manually entering timings and voltages until you get it right.

To run the RAM at higher frequencies this platform overvolts things like the VCCSA/System Agent and the VCCIO, besides the increased DDR voltage. (Some?) Asus boards also enable the very dumb Multicore Enhancement with XMP, which might be the case here, it's retarded, it overvolts the CPU and it can be unstable under real stress conditions like Prime95. Hence one should discard it as a marketing gimmick and OC manually.

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#11
Posted 04/09/2018 09:10 PM   
[quote="Topic Starter"][u][b][size="L"]UPDATE 1:[/size][/b][/u] [b]Just an hour ago I did:[/b] 1. Disconnect my Aorus GTX 1080 Ti physically from the motherboard. 2. Uninstall NVIDIA Driver 391.35 with Display Driver Uninstaller. 3. Switch to the Intel's Integrated Graphics, download and install the latest Intel VGA driver. 4. Lower all GTA 5 graphics settings to minimum and set 800*680 screen resolution. 5. Start playing. The average performance was about 72 FPS. But drops and frame time spikes still happened at lowest possible graphics settings with 800*680 resolution! I'm really disappointed. Issue didn't go away even WITHOUT GPU and NVIDIA driver. Then I opened the Latency Monitor and started playing GTA 5 again. After 5 minutes of gameplay I switched to LatencyMon and noticed that highest DPC latency was about 202 ms (instead of normal 30-90 ms) for this driver [b]"Wdf01000.sys - Kernel Mode Driver Framework Runtime, Microsoft Corporation"[/b]. I think that WIndows 10 is the culprit but not 100% sure. You can check the MSI Afterburner GTA 5 log.hml available in the Google Drive folder: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14DrbFKVLNyiAG4zBtAWWF6soUT91ApyY?usp=sharing [/quote]Interesting. -- Frametimes look pretty stable and consistent in the V1 log. No problems there over roughly 7 minutes right? -- V1.1 is also OK over roughly 4min except for when the GPU dips to 91% utilization @ 18:37:33. That seems to me like some sort of interruption or transition or menu toggle as Undon3 mentioned. -- V2 has that similar dip to 90% @ 19:14:31 again appearing as some sort of interruption over roughly 6min. [list] [.][b]Do you know what was occurring during these 2 dips?[/b][/.] [.][b]Do you see similar results with the 1080 Ti?[/b][/.] [/list] If you do see similar results, then [b][u]this is evidence that there's something else going on that's inherent to the game and/or Windows (or some background tasks are interrupting the CPU/GPU)[/u][/b]. I would [i][b]try some different games as well[/b][/i]. This is [i]useful[/i] data and I commend you for actually trying. I find it strange that others don't do this simple logging to help us get a better picture of the symptoms. Instead they just keep complaining. Could you clarify exactly which parameter is associated with the "202ms" value (assuming you actually meant microseconds)? There are several parameters to consider. Please specify exactly the name and the tab in which you're viewing it. Some examples: [list] [.]Highest measured interrupt to process latency, Main tab = 247.4[/.] [.]Highest measured interrupt to DPC latency, Stats tab = 215.8[/.] [/list] [u]The easiest way is to take screenshots of the Main and Drivers (sorted by highest execution time) tabs.[/u] PS - You might wanna update your signature. 8700k is Coffee Lake, not Kaby Lake (but everyone knows what it is anyway).
Topic Starter said:UPDATE 1:

Just an hour ago I did:
1. Disconnect my Aorus GTX 1080 Ti physically from the motherboard.
2. Uninstall NVIDIA Driver 391.35 with Display Driver Uninstaller.
3. Switch to the Intel's Integrated Graphics, download and install the latest Intel VGA driver.
4. Lower all GTA 5 graphics settings to minimum and set 800*680 screen resolution.
5. Start playing.

The average performance was about 72 FPS. But drops and frame time spikes still happened at lowest possible graphics settings with 800*680 resolution! I'm really disappointed. Issue didn't go away even WITHOUT GPU and NVIDIA driver.

Then I opened the Latency Monitor and started playing GTA 5 again. After 5 minutes of gameplay I switched to LatencyMon and noticed that highest DPC latency was about 202 ms (instead of normal 30-90 ms) for this driver "Wdf01000.sys - Kernel Mode Driver Framework Runtime, Microsoft Corporation". I think that WIndows 10 is the culprit but not 100% sure.

You can check the MSI Afterburner GTA 5 log.hml available in the Google Drive folder: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14DrbFKVLNyiAG4zBtAWWF6soUT91ApyY?usp=sharing
Interesting.

-- Frametimes look pretty stable and consistent in the V1 log. No problems there over roughly 7 minutes right?

-- V1.1 is also OK over roughly 4min except for when the GPU dips to 91% utilization @ 18:37:33. That seems to me like some sort of interruption or transition or menu toggle as Undon3 mentioned.

-- V2 has that similar dip to 90% @ 19:14:31 again appearing as some sort of interruption over roughly 6min.

  • Do you know what was occurring during these 2 dips?

  • Do you see similar results with the 1080 Ti?

If you do see similar results, then this is evidence that there's something else going on that's inherent to the game and/or Windows (or some background tasks are interrupting the CPU/GPU).

I would try some different games as well.

This is useful data and I commend you for actually trying. I find it strange that others don't do this simple logging to help us get a better picture of the symptoms. Instead they just keep complaining.

Could you clarify exactly which parameter is associated with the "202ms" value (assuming you actually meant microseconds)?
There are several parameters to consider. Please specify exactly the name and the tab in which you're viewing it.

Some examples:

  • Highest measured interrupt to process latency, Main tab = 247.4
  • Highest measured interrupt to DPC latency, Stats tab = 215.8

The easiest way is to take screenshots of the Main and Drivers (sorted by highest execution time) tabs.

PS - You might wanna update your signature. 8700k is Coffee Lake, not Kaby Lake (but everyone knows what it is anyway).

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#12
Posted 04/10/2018 03:31 AM   
[quote="Undon3"]. Anyway, I took a look at those last 3 MSIAB files and there's like 1 clear drop, which could be a menu or something. Running the game off the DDR4 RAM is obviously not ideal but that is what happens without a dedicated GPU. [/quote] Nope, I didn't open menu or console. It was pure gameplay without interruption. I know that opening menu will cause spikes because of game's coding. I done special saves with different game scenes: near railway, on the military base and flying jet. Most drops/spikes occur when flying jet. Maybe, because of weak GPU load when flying in heaven. I tried to disable Asus multi core enhancement and even to manually change voltage to 1.280V, but nothing good happened.
Undon3 said:.

Anyway, I took a look at those last 3 MSIAB files and there's like 1 clear drop, which could be a menu or something. Running the game off the DDR4 RAM is obviously not ideal but that is what happens without a dedicated GPU.



Nope, I didn't open menu or console. It was pure gameplay without interruption. I know that opening menu will cause spikes because of game's coding. I done special saves with different game scenes: near railway, on the military base and flying jet. Most drops/spikes occur when flying jet. Maybe, because of weak GPU load when flying in heaven.

I tried to disable Asus multi core enhancement and even to manually change voltage to 1.280V, but nothing good happened.

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#13
Posted 04/10/2018 07:47 AM   
[quote="howiejc"] -- Frametimes look pretty stable and consistent in the V1 log. No problems there over roughly 7 minutes right? -- V1.1 is also OK over roughly 4min except for when the GPU dips to 91% utilization @ 18:37:33. That seems to me like some sort of interruption or transition or menu toggle as Undon3 mentioned. -- V2 has that similar dip to 90% @ 19:14:31 again appearing as some sort of interruption over roughly 6min. [list] [.][b]Do you know what was occurring during these 2 dips?[/b][/.] [.][b]Do you see similar results with the 1080 Ti?[/b][/.] [/list] If you do see similar results, then [b][u]this is evidence that there's something else going on that's inherent to the game and/or Windows (or some background tasks are interrupting the CPU/GPU)[/u][/b]. I would [i][b]try some different games as well[/b][/i]. This is [i]useful[/i] data and I commend you for actually trying. I find it strange that others don't do this simple logging to help us get a better picture of the symptoms. Instead they just keep complaining. Could you clarify exactly which parameter is associated with the "202ms" value (assuming you actually meant microseconds)? There are several parameters to consider. Please specify exactly the name and the tab in which you're viewing it. Some examples: [list] [.]Highest measured interrupt to process latency, Main tab = 247.4[/.] [.]Highest measured interrupt to DPC latency, Stats tab = 215.8[/.] [/list] [u]The easiest way is to take screenshots of the Main and Drivers (sorted by highest execution time) tabs.[/u] PS - You might wanna update your signature. 8700k is Coffee Lake, not Kaby Lake (but everyone knows what it is anyway).[/quote] 1.Yes, in V1 first 7 min run great but then I caught a spike. 2. In V1.1 there was no interruption from my side. It was pure gameplay (flying jet in the heaven with different tricks to increase load on the system). I exactly know that menu or console opening will cause FPS drops due to game's engine. I didn't even press Win/Alt+Tab buttons or restart RTSS FPS benchmark. Just flew to catch spikes. 3. I'll try to run GTA 5 on the 1080 Ti with the same settings today. 4. About LatencyMon. It was 202.7 µs DPC latency for this driver "Wdf01000.sys - Kernel Mode Driver Framework Runtime, Microsoft Corporation". 5. I have also older LatencyMon screenshots. Will pin them latter. P.S. Thanks. I did a mistake when writing sign because of previous watched Kaby Lake CPUs comparison. :)
howiejc said:

-- Frametimes look pretty stable and consistent in the V1 log. No problems there over roughly 7 minutes right?

-- V1.1 is also OK over roughly 4min except for when the GPU dips to 91% utilization @ 18:37:33. That seems to me like some sort of interruption or transition or menu toggle as Undon3 mentioned.

-- V2 has that similar dip to 90% @ 19:14:31 again appearing as some sort of interruption over roughly 6min.

  • Do you know what was occurring during these 2 dips?

  • Do you see similar results with the 1080 Ti?

If you do see similar results, then this is evidence that there's something else going on that's inherent to the game and/or Windows (or some background tasks are interrupting the CPU/GPU).

I would try some different games as well.

This is useful data and I commend you for actually trying. I find it strange that others don't do this simple logging to help us get a better picture of the symptoms. Instead they just keep complaining.

Could you clarify exactly which parameter is associated with the "202ms" value (assuming you actually meant microseconds)?
There are several parameters to consider. Please specify exactly the name and the tab in which you're viewing it.

Some examples:

  • Highest measured interrupt to process latency, Main tab = 247.4
  • Highest measured interrupt to DPC latency, Stats tab = 215.8

The easiest way is to take screenshots of the Main and Drivers (sorted by highest execution time) tabs.

PS - You might wanna update your signature. 8700k is Coffee Lake, not Kaby Lake (but everyone knows what it is anyway).

1.Yes, in V1 first 7 min run great but then I caught a spike.
2. In V1.1 there was no interruption from my side. It was pure gameplay (flying jet in the heaven with different tricks to increase load on the system). I exactly know that menu or console opening will cause FPS drops due to game's engine. I didn't even press Win/Alt+Tab buttons or restart RTSS FPS benchmark. Just flew to catch spikes.
3. I'll try to run GTA 5 on the 1080 Ti with the same settings today.
4. About LatencyMon. It was 202.7 µs DPC latency for this driver "Wdf01000.sys - Kernel Mode Driver Framework Runtime, Microsoft Corporation".
5. I have also older LatencyMon screenshots. Will pin them latter.

P.S. Thanks. I did a mistake when writing sign because of previous watched Kaby Lake CPUs comparison. :)

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#14
Posted 04/10/2018 08:12 AM   
[quote="Topic Starter"] 1.Yes, in V1 first 7 min run great but then I caught a spike. 2. In V1.1 there was no interruption from my side. It was pure gameplay (flying jet in the heaven with different tricks to increase load on the system). I exactly know that menu or console opening will cause FPS drops due to game's engine. I didn't even press Win/Alt+Tab buttons or restart RTSS FPS benchmark. Just flew to catch spikes. 3. I'll try to run GTA 5 on the 1080 Ti with the same settings today. 4. About LatencyMon. It was 202.7 µs DPC latency for this driver "Wdf01000.sys - Kernel Mode Driver Framework Runtime, Microsoft Corporation". 5. I have also older LatencyMon screenshots. Will pin them latter. P.S. Thanks. I did a mistake when writing sign because of previous watched Kaby Lake CPUs comparison. :)[/quote]Based on this data it seems that you don't have a significant, systemic frame stuttering/drop issue. If you did, you'd see it occur much more frequently instead of 1 instance of stuttering in 4 to 7min of gameplay. You should try other games as well, not just GTA V. It's extremely likely that this is a game-specific symptom. Also, 202.7us latency is nothing to be concerned about.
Topic Starter said:
1.Yes, in V1 first 7 min run great but then I caught a spike.
2. In V1.1 there was no interruption from my side. It was pure gameplay (flying jet in the heaven with different tricks to increase load on the system). I exactly know that menu or console opening will cause FPS drops due to game's engine. I didn't even press Win/Alt+Tab buttons or restart RTSS FPS benchmark. Just flew to catch spikes.
3. I'll try to run GTA 5 on the 1080 Ti with the same settings today.
4. About LatencyMon. It was 202.7 µs DPC latency for this driver "Wdf01000.sys - Kernel Mode Driver Framework Runtime, Microsoft Corporation".
5. I have also older LatencyMon screenshots. Will pin them latter.

P.S. Thanks. I did a mistake when writing sign because of previous watched Kaby Lake CPUs comparison. :)
Based on this data it seems that you don't have a significant, systemic frame stuttering/drop issue. If you did, you'd see it occur much more frequently instead of 1 instance of stuttering in 4 to 7min of gameplay.

You should try other games as well, not just GTA V. It's extremely likely that this is a game-specific symptom.

Also, 202.7us latency is nothing to be concerned about.

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#15
Posted 04/10/2018 09:27 AM   
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